What are your answers?

[fr0d0]

So what, exactly, is the message of god Frodo?

That's the question. Lets clean up the yard first tho'.

Actually most of the structural foundations of language (even words like atoms) and knowledge required to convey an idea such as "the big bang" we're well known by the time any of the NT was written. God could have cleared up creation quite nicely. Actually it wouldn't have been difficult to communicate the idea in the bronze age either. But you know god, doesn't like to show his hand before the chips are in. If the message were complete there would be 1, count em, 1 christian denomination. There are a few more than that.

And you are suggesting what I already explained wasn't the point. God could have provided knowledge beyond our knowledge now, but....

That wasn't the point was it?

If the message were complete there would be 1, count em, 1 christian denomination. There are a few more than that.

There is one accepted source, and one catholic and apostolic church. There is no requirement for more. Diverse denominations; miriad approaches to the central belief, are all acceptable parameters in the original design.

All this talk about how atheists like to constrain god within arbitrary or contradictory limits and here you are stating that his inability to convey a message was due to what? The inability of his creation to understand it, bzzzt, wrong.

Again... the message you want is of ultimate knowledge, a different message to the one given.

Don't you think it's futile to look here for your holy grail?

At the same time you claim that we could not possibly have understood something like "way back in the day, there was a tremendous fucking explosion" we are apparently able to understand the great cosmic message of god? Bullshit.

And you are suggesting that way back then, people we're as developed as yourself so couldn't possibly have worked out the perfect answer on this.

At least there was ounce of sense in your post. The bible wasn't written by god. You know what they call it when someone tells a story differently every time you ask? A lie. So, if god's going to give different answers depending on who's asking and when, I'm gonna go ahead and put the bullshit blanket over the entire story because there's no god damned way to know which version is true, and when he's just fucking with us.

You have to try hard to recreate reality and say that one collection of books and a single message has changed in 2000 years. To you, with no understanding of the subject (that I have seen evidence of), sure it's confusing. I would be shocked to hear otherwise.

Does your bible not contain "magical skills of premonition"? The culture that creates and defines a myth is unbelievably (almost exclusively) relevant to any discussion about that myth. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that those "irrelevant things" are the ones that require a wave of the hand because you are uncomfortable with your lack of satisfactory response, and understand the implications of the statement.

We look at the language and the culture and the context and work out what is being said and apply it to our own context. Nothing is irrelevant or beyond examination, or it wouldn't be an honest examination. Calling names has no effect on that serious consideration.

"Why does religious mythology contain only the knowledge of any given culture within it?"-Because it was written by men, without the aide or communication of any god, despite repeated claims to the contrary and threats of eternal damnation to those who would doubt these claims. Unless you have evidence to the contrary. Or perhaps you wish to propose a god who just didn't know this sort of stuff, or would screw with us to see how long we'll believe garbage?

With an astounding arrogance you dismiss something without one single concrete reason. And you expect people with reasoned intention to be persuaded by this?

The hard evidence is written down and you dismiss it without reason or study.

Something tells me that you're unwilling to re-translate the entire text as metaphor (and that's what you'd have to do to make it plausible).

That something is you deliberately blinding yourself to reality. No matter how much I [/we] explain to you or demonstrate to you that this is not the case, time and again you come back with this empty retaliation. Your posturing has no effect on the validity of our argument, it is simply your own arm waving.

So don't waste my time with "genesis isn't material creation". Fine, that's your belief, I agree.

No, it isn't my belief, it's the result of my reasearch. And your denial is the result of your ignorance, of non study, of blind dissmissal.

So what, exactly, is the message of god Frodo?

So...

Here's an actual question of relevance to the subject: beyond the windmill impersonation of zero reasoning against what has been said before.

And it's a question that you know the answer to: God gives you life.

[The Grand Nudger]

Hmn, a 4 word message. Seems like that would have been easier to communicate than what we're currently holding. So why are you encumbering such a simple (and useless) message with all the rest of this heaven and hell and sin and magic shit?

Now that we have the message of god, we can fact check it. Did god give me life? No, apparently that was one Cynthia Jean and Donnie Cole of Ft. Campbell , KY.

(I would also appreciate it if you never, ever, made a comment that stepped out of that message again, unless you're willing to call BS on yourself)

[fr0d0]

That's the message. The rest is the very important detail of how it's achieved.

I'm sorry to say you got a fail in your first test. Try not to jump the gun next time

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh, there's more, of course there is. How many pages more? Shades of Statler. You do realize that a claim to my life is a claim to the material right? So, welcome to the material world, did you bring your ghost with you this time?
(shame too, you had built such a lovely wall)

[Epimethean]

Fr0d0 never answers real questions about god with answers that read better than, "Because god is god."

[The Grand Nudger]

Because, like religion itself, despite constant claims to the contrary he has no answers.

[Epimethean]

BINGO!

[Violet]

Fr0d0 never answers real questions about god with answers that read better than, "Because god is god."

Don't get in between fr0d0 and another prolific poster... it can end badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdETS515ej4

[fr0d0]

Of course it affects the material R, otherwise how would we know about it? It's entirely practical, if addressed correctly. A mind, body thing, if you like. For you, I'd guess there's a missing connection somewhere

[Epimethean]

Except this is a case where it is simply mind over body, an imagination effect. The cosmic placebo.