Unemployment. Honest debate.

[Minimalist]

Dickhead Bachmann wants to eliminate the minimum wage....may as well be slaves then.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/BUSIN.../id/401480

Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann said she would stoke U.S. economic growth by cutting taxes on corporate income and capital gains and considering elimination of the minimum wage.

Yep...the rich get richer and the poor can go fuck themselves....the republicolibertarianazinutjob credo.

[The Grand Nudger]

Exactly what we need to think about, outproducing the chinese in the plastic baubbles dept. Later, we can erect temples to our idiocy with them. Is it so absurd to demand that workers everywhere have a greater share in the profits of the business that would not exist without them? Again, the world didn't suddenly become poor, the money simply changed hands.

[Anomalocaris]

Do you even understand basic world economy?

Yes, especially the parts you don't.

What part of "you cant compete with a dollar a day pay" do you not understand?

The part that says why you shouldn't starve if you can't compete.

[The Grand Nudger]

Perhaps we're beyond the model of competition that has failed 99.9% of everything that has ever lived? A little cooperation would be refreshing, wouldn't it?

[reverendjeremiah]

Dickhead Bachmann wants to eliminate the minimum wage....may as well be slaves then.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/BUSIN.../id/401480

Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann said she would stoke U.S. economic growth by cutting taxes on corporate income and capital gains and considering elimination of the minimum wage.

Yep...the rich get richer and the poor can go fuck themselves....the republicolibertarianazinutjob credo.

Libertarians absolutely LOVE this sort of stuff. Doing things like this does not create jobs. It saves the rich money. All she said was she is willing to fuck the poor hard in the ass to make it easier on the rich..and the Libertarian types LOVE her for it...the selfish bastards.

[Minimalist]

The part that says why you shouldn't starve if you can't compete.

You need to ask Marie Antoinette how that model you are espousing worked out, Chuck.

[Anomalocaris]

Exactly what we need to think about, outproducing the chinese in the plastic baubbles dept. Later, we can erect temples to our idiocy with them. Is it so absurd to demand that workers everywhere have a greater share in the profits of the business that would not exist without them? Again, the world didn't suddenly become poor, the money simply changed hands.

Who said we have to compete with the Chinese baubble for baubble? It's precisely not the baubbles but things which we really could add more value in proportion to our greater salary that we should concentrate. Let the Chinese make baubbles, we should find something we make 5 times better than they do if our worker cost 4 times as much. This is exactly why we should outsource.

If we don't outsource, all we are doing is to subsidize American labors for getting paid more, while producing less. Cooperation might seem like a cushy, foresight obscuring way out, but in the long run, no economy can long prosper by costing more to produce less. And to sustain the ability to produce more for unit cost, this efficiency has to penetrate pretty thoroughly throughout the economy, down to the minimum wage earners.

[paintpooper]

Here is a good question.

Is there currently enough resources to clothe feed and give every human the basic necessity's of life? Because currently that is not happening.

Once we know the answer to that question we can develop ways to spread these resources to benefit all humans.

I will justify my thinking by saying that, I did not choose to be born in the US, I did not choose to have good parents, I did not choose to be a male, I did not choose to be white.

Ahh but religion is a great way to artificially make yourself better than someone else!!!! When in reality we are all the exact same, besides superficial differences.

So how can I hold any of these things against anyone else?

[Anomalocaris]

Here is a good question.

Is there currently enough resources to clothe feed and give every human the basic necessity's of life? Because currently that is not happening.

Once we know the answer to that question we can develop ways to spread these resources to benefit all humans.

What is basic necessity? Biologically, the bare minimum needed to keep you alive just long enough to produce one set of offsprings that would live to reproductive age suffices. Of course some Americans think having 2 cars, a dog, a washing machine, a microwave and 150 satellite TV channels as unspeakable privation unfit for humans to experience.

[paintpooper]

Here is a good question.

Is there currently enough resources to clothe feed and give every human the basic necessity's of life? Because currently that is not happening.

Once we know the answer to that question we can develop ways to spread these resources to benefit all humans.

What is basic necessity? Biologically, the bare minimum needed to keep you alive just long enough to produce one set of offsprings that would live to reproductive age suffices. Of course some Americans think having 2 cars, a dog, a washing machine, a microwave and 150 satellite TV channels as unspeakable privation unfit for humans to experience.

Well currently there are many many people going hungry and dieing of starvation as children. So I think starting at at least feeding the entire population would be a start? They can't even make it to reproduction age.

And do they have to give up their 150 channels for that to happen? I don't know. This is what I'm striving to find out.

Also the dog thing is an interesting point.... do we Americans spend enough on our "dogs" and animals, where if we didn't it would allow the survival of many other humans.