A question regarding proof

[Faith No More]

...and my argument goes to a very specific place.

So far it has gone nowhere because you refuse to take it anywhere.

Once again, is there a point to all of this?

[Fred]

Is there a point to all this?

Absolutely. And I've been trying to get to it for a while now, but all the approach ramps are clogged with the folks dodging and weaving and we're now entering the "he's a lunatic" portion of the program.

But if anyone has an open enough mind to actually engage that point, it might help clear up a major sticking point in the whole debate. I know that's not of import to the true believers, but I have to imagine there's got to be at least a few real free-thinkers around here.

[ElDinero]

Ok so your brilliantly original point is...

[Fred]

Since nobody here seems to understand your vague bullshit, maybe, JUST MAYBE, it's your logic that's flawed.

Oh, I'm quite sure there are quite a few who understand my logic. Why do you think the "he's a lunatic" chorus is suddenly springing to life?

If you think my logic is flawed demonstrate it. That's the beauty of the stuff. It's falsifiable for anyone to see.

I encourage you to do more of it. You'd be surprised where it can lead once you move beyond the confines of your dogma.

How about make a point or shut up? You still haven't, but you're still going on and on.

Heh. Sorry, but you guys ran away from the point as fast as you could and now we're in the obfuscation thickets.

[ElDinero]

Oh great, we've got another one who claims they've already provided the evidence but won't show us where, and it's our fault for not looking for it. Bore off, will you?

[The Grand Nudger]

The "he's a lunatic" response began because we have an in-born ability to sense those among us who have jumped the fucking shark....it confers a survival advantage....lol. I don't want to be the guy who wakes up with some nutball eating my liver.

[Erinome]

I'm thinking that you're just panning for us to indulge your little pony dream scenario. Your dream is no more provable than the existence of God. They both came from the minds of men looking for a point where, perhaps there just isn't one.

[Fred]

...and my argument goes to a very specific place.

So far it has gone nowhere because you refuse to take it anywhere.

Once again, is there a point to all of this?

Yes. Your evidence demand, far from being the kill shot you all think it is, is built on sand and you guys don't really believe it either.

Of course, every time I bring that point up, it instantly gets dismissed, yet never gets examined. So I figured I would show you, but looks like folks are not willing to engage.

Here's the beauty of it. If, like Rhythm says, you just let me "do my thing," my argument will either stand or fall of its own weight. But it doesn't seem like anyone's willing to take a chance on that because we've swiftly moved to these feeble efforts to dismiss it before letting it play out.

Seems like a pretty cowardly move to me, coming from a crowd that crows so much about how reason and evidence should carry the day, but that shit appears to be nothing but slogans for most.

The true free-thinker would be engaging this, not seeking to muddy the waters. Looks like Rhythm's invitation to join him for waffles was a well-accepted one.

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Oh great, we've got another one who claims they've already provided the evidence but won't show us where, and it's our fault for not looking for it. Bore off, will you?

Heh. I didn't say I provided the evidence. I said I provided the point. I'd be happy to continue providing the evidence, but something funny happened on the way and the choir is now singing for its supper.

But again, just so you can keep up, the evidence demand is broken and if pressed, you guys will happily show that you don't even believe it yourselves. Rhythm got closest to admitting it, but he was smart enough to see where it was going and so he shifted gears into obfuscatory mode before the real hell broke loose.

And he was successful, too, because I've run out of time. I'll try and pick it up again tomorrow, but that will probably just lead to more of this so score another victory for reason and logic as the beacons that so obviously light the way around here.

Science goes where the evidence leads, but that doesn't mean anyone has to follow if it bumps up against their cherished beliefs. Faith is strong stuff.

[Faith No More]

Let's hear it then.

[The Grand Nudger]

No evidence, roger, I'm with Faith on this one, whats the point? So far I can only see that we've arrived at the conclusion that dream ponies, lacking any evidence other than personal testimony, are hard to argue for. Something I hope everyone already understood.