Ask the Christian

[thesummerqueen]

They got that from us, and do we get any credit? Not a peep. Are we chopped liver or something?

[KichigaiNeko]

They got that from us, and do we get any credit? Not a peep. Are we chopped liver or something?

Yeah, weird about that imho.
Take everything from the Judaic system and then spend 2000years trying to out Jew the Jews...weird. :S

[The Grand Nudger]

Any explanation is better than no explanation, that's kind of how we roll.

[fr0d0]

Interesting. When you say 'indoctrinated'.. do you mean you were raised into it then?

Correct.

Ah right. You were one of those kids that tried to bait people like me with gross misinterpretations. The chosen grandchildren, ignoring the constant reminder that God doesn't have grand children.

Chaos is also beautiful.

Strictly speaking I'm talking about cause and effect rather than randomness, which more often than not has potentially disastrous and far-reaching results.

It's not all bad groucho. In fact it's also exciting and evolving.

There is no greater purpose than love.

You're referring to "The Great Comission" if I'm not mistaken so your 'purpose' then is actually to preach the news of Jesus to all nations. Your purpose is to serve god, not be loved. Who do you think you are? ^_^ I don't believe any of it is true though. You may proceed to wipe the dust from your feet, curse me, and move onto the next town.

Nope, wrong. I'm talking about love being the utmost purpose. Don't try and read too much into it.

It's not long distance, it's in your face.

Doubtful, unless you think a PC monitor is god. Tell me frodo are you a Pantheist?

There are many gods, but only one true God. Not doubtful, actual, if you want to consider this thing.

Never say never.

I will never love your god concept.

Then your mind is closed. Your skepticism is compromised.

I'm not asking you to question your skepticism... just to try to be more skeptical. Don't presume that you know something you cannot, otherwise you'll look foolish.

Disbelief on any claim until sufficient evidence arrives to prove true is the default position.

If scientism is your religious position then I wish you well with it. Personally I cannot see the beginnings in logic in it. Have you ever explored your reasoning for it seriously?

biological death is when I'm lost forever.

We're considering Xtianity here... where death isn't the end. This comment is irrelevant to the subject.

I will have a negative outlook on the prospect of some deity creating me for its own purpose.

No, your purpose.

To be dragged into this world just for its own glorification.

Which is how you achieve your full potential. How can you have a problem with that? You don't want life?

How selfishly cruel is this higher being?

Completely and utterly unfounded. A figment of your imagination.

At the risk of shame, regret and even eventual loss of love my parents at least have the decency to let me choose my own purpose

And yet here your rejecting the choice as persecution, hatred and evil. I just don't get your logic... you seem to seriously contradict yourself every other sentance.

Equivical biblical statements about God:
God is one. (Deut. 6:4, Romans 3:30, Galatians 3:20, James 2:19)
God is holy. (Psalm 99:9)
God is spirit. (John 4:24)
God is light. (1 John 1:5)
God is love. (1 John 4:8, 1 John 4:16)
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So you wanted the definition for what reason? To launch into your personal rant about "Idon'tknowwhat" ...hating your 'loving' parents for subjecting you to this???

Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"

You have a rpoblem with justice? The reward for good and the punishment for bad?

How twisted.

Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."

God is good. He is directly opposed to bad. Your problem??

Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."

Same 'ol.

Exodus 20:4-5 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God”

Quite right

Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Sounds good. What's the problem??

Isaiah 45: 7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”

I think you need to start to study this stuff to find out what it's about. You obviously have no clue and have seriously warped it's meaning to end up with your crippling POV

Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

Justice is good.

Not a very nice deity is he? I've seen a jar of angry wasps look happier.

I tied my hands back in readiness for that serious head slapping inevitability. YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING!?!?!?!

And he did.. the sacrifice is a done deal.

I'm not accepting a sacrifice, either your tribal god mans up and accepts he can make mistakes just like everyone else and *forgives his creation* without all this bloodshed and punishment, or he politely go and fuck off.

You have to be arrogant beyond belief to imagine that with such a throw away, ill considered line you could suppose to come up with a better religion.

1st, you don't ever address the subject of your misguided wrath.
2nd, you're misguided hatred says more about you than anything else.

[Welsh cake]

Ah right. You were one of those kids that tried to bait people like me with gross misinterpretations.

With all due respect I honestly have no idea what you are talking about here.

The chosen grandchildren, ignoring the constant reminder that God doesn't have grand children.

I don’t particularly care if your god concept has grandparents.

It's not all bad groucho. In fact it's also exciting and evolving.

That’s debatable. An eruption is an impressive display of nature to behold, from a safe distance. Its terrifying life-threateningly horrible experience when you are in close proximity to it and directly in harms way.

Nope, wrong. I'm talking about love being the utmost purpose. Don't try and read too much into it.

There’s not much to read. Here’s an extract Neil Gaiman’s horror/fantasy novella Coraline just to put things a little more into perspective with how I think you Christians bastardise the word "love" and then proceed to associate it with this monstrous first-born-killing deity:
Pg106 - "Coraline's Other Mother told her again "You know that I love you.""
"And, despite herself, Coraline nodded. It was true: the other mother loved her. But she loved Coraline as a miser loves money, or a dragon loves its gold. In the other mother's button eyes, Coraline knew that she was a possession, nothing more. A tolerated pet, whose behaviour was no longer amusing."

There are many gods, but only one true God. Not doubtful, actual, if you want to consider this thing.

This statement makes no sense, either you meant to say there are many gods with one most high god or, there are many false idols but only one true god. Which one?

Then your mind is closed. Your skepticism is compromised.

I’ll also never love unicorns or other products of myth not proven to exist in reality either.

We're considering Xtianity here... where death isn't the end. This comment is irrelevant to the subject.

I’m not. Many other theists assert this life is our one and only chance to make amends with their own particular brand of your deity that argue is real. A heartless tactic, but an effective one nonetheless, that's how they scaremonger so many morons into subscribing and conforming to their ridiculous dogma without question for fear of hellfire and damnation and so on.

Which is how you achieve your full potential. How can you have a problem with that? You don't want life?

How I can possibly choose it to start with in pre-life? No one chose their parents, not even you.


The point of the Bible quotes was to demonstrate how god is not love as you claim. He is wrathful, angry, jealous and hateful. Love cannot by the Bible’s own definition be any of those things (see 1 Corinthians 13:4). I’m sorry but the rest of your responses in that post wasn’t even worth my time responding to.

[fr0d0]

It's not all bad groucho. In fact it's also exciting and evolving.

That’s debatable. An eruption is an impressive display of nature to behold, from a safe distance. Its terrifying life-threateningly horrible experience when you are in close proximity to it and directly in harms way.

Debatable. Exactly.

this monstrous first-born-killing deity:

The only one bastardising anything here is you. This fixation of yours is worrying.

There are many gods, but only one true God. Not doubtful, actual, if you want to consider this thing.

This statement makes no sense, either you meant to say there are many gods with one most high god or, there are many false idols but only one true god. Which one?

Many gods. It's in the bible. Could you put yourself into the situation for a moment and imagine what your gods are?

Then your mind is closed. Your skepticism is compromised.

I’ll also never love unicorns or other products of myth not proven to exist in reality either.

Ditto.

Now what?

We're considering Xtianity here... where death isn't the end. This comment is irrelevant to the subject.

I’m not.

Yet you keep tasking me on it. How very confused you seem.

Many other theists assert this life is our one and only chance to make amends with their own particular brand of your deity that argue is real.

Me too.

A heartless tactic, but an effective one nonetheless, that's how they scaremonger so many morons into subscribing and conforming to their ridiculous dogma without question for fear of hellfire and damnation and so on.

I agree.

Which is how you achieve your full potential. How can you have a problem with that? You don't want life?

How I can possibly choose it to start with in pre-life? No one chose their parents, not even you.

The question isn't about what you cannot choose, but what you can choose.

The point of the Bible quotes was to demonstrate how god is not love as you claim.

And you failed miserably.

You think love = unjust

Please explain to me how that isn't seriously warped.

[Welsh cake]

Could you put yourself into the situation for a moment and imagine what your gods are?

I'm an atheist frodo. >.>

I can't even be arsed to link to one of those "Screw this thread - I'm outta here" captions, I'm that tired of talking to you.

*ignores*

[fr0d0]

If you were a theist you wouldn't have to imagine WC now would you?

Ah well another idiot out of my face.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's what being a theist is, imagining.

[Cyberman]

Sorry, I'm puzzled. When you say "WC", are you referring to...

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or...

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? Because if either of those is the case, I have no need to imagine it; theist accreditation notwithstanding.

(My query is serious, even if my manner of asking is not.)