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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Yes, I was content to be that way, that's really what was sad about it. I was resigned to a meaningless fate, you could say. I just thought it was normal to be messed up. That seems to be the norm, that everyone has problems, no one really talks about them, and we all smile really big and keep going.
(September 17, 2011 at 2:45 pm)Strongbad Wrote: (September 16, 2011 at 9:24 pm)lucent Wrote: ... "there was pain...there was addiction...there was anxiety...there was despair...there was hate."
"I was content with my life..."
It smells like fish in here.
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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 2:57 pm
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(September 17, 2011 at 2:45 pm)lucent Wrote: I forgive you, and it wasn't just a beautiful landscape. The scene was supernatural, and impossible from a physical perspective. That was really just the gist of it, as I said above. God let me know without a doubt He is there..otherwise I would I still be agnostic to this day.
What makes you the expert in geology to say that it was "supernatural"...
Or were you actually observing some mountains while watching your Supernatural DVDs on you portable player?
I take you for the kind of guy who likes Jensen Ackles 
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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Quote:That was definitely good enough for me to suspect that reality wasn't as it appeared, however, there was a lot more that happened that day, and next week or so. I am just giving you the gist of it. It got to the point where I had no choice but to throw up my hands and say God was real. You have to remember, I wasn't looking for such revelation..it's not like I wanted to believe God was real..that was the last thing on my mind.
I don't want the mere gist of it, I want all the grisly details. For your own sake even, because you really made it sound like looking at some mountains made you catch religion.
Being honest I find you quite interesting, we're the opposite, you went from being agnostic to a born again, I went from born again to atheist. I'll be watching your forum career( Scared?? You should be!!!!!), so tell me more about this 'revelation'.
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
Einstein
When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down happy. They told me I didn't understand the assignment. I told them they didn't understand life.
- John Lennon
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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Well, I think about it this way..if I am being fooled by such a being it isn't my fault. I've tried my utmost to know who God is, and if He is letting me be fooled, then He obviously has no interest in me. In that case, it really doesn't matter. If God is evil it really doesn't matter. If there is no God it really doesn't matter.
However, I have had direct experience with things like demonic possession. I know Satan is real and that he leads people into error..it doesn't matter what it is as long as it isn't Jesus. I've seen him at work, and his fingerprints are everywhere. The only real truth about Satan is in the bible, the one source he is powerless to destroy.
(September 17, 2011 at 2:40 pm)frankiej Wrote: (September 17, 2011 at 2:35 pm)lucent Wrote: There is a supernatural force of evil in the world which is leading people into deception, headed by Satan. Whatever is not the truth is a lie, and all lies comes from him.
The bible was confirmed true to me because certain facts about God were made known to me so that when I finally read the bible, I could see it was about the God I knew.
Maybe some evil being has mislead you, the same way you think that Satan has mislead others...
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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 3:10 pm
(September 17, 2011 at 3:05 pm)lucent Wrote: Well, I think about it this way..if I am being fooled by such a being it isn't my fault. I've tried my utmost to know who God is, and if He is letting me be fooled, then He obviously has no interest in me. In that case, it really doesn't matter. If God is evil it really doesn't matter. If there is no God it really doesn't matter.
So, then it doesn't really matter what you do...
And if there isn't a God, which I see being most probable, then you will have wasted your one and only life to a bunch of bullshit...
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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 3:10 pm
I think you need to reread my post..it wasn't just something I came across that I thought "Oh my, this is so beautiful that God must exist!"..it was a landscape, which I had seen before many times, which took on the nature I described. It was about as far from normal as you can get.
(September 17, 2011 at 2:57 pm)frankiej Wrote: (September 17, 2011 at 2:45 pm)lucent Wrote: I forgive you, and it wasn't just a beautiful landscape. The scene was supernatural, and impossible from a physical perspective. That was really just the gist of it, as I said above. God let me know without a doubt He is there..otherwise I would I still be agnostic to this day.
What makes you the expert in geology to say that it was "supernatural"...
Or were you actually observing some mountains while watching your Supernatural DVDs on you portable player?
I take you for the kind of guy who likes Jensen Ackles
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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 3:12 pm
How can you be certain that you weren't hallucinating?
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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Crazy people often talk as if everyone has a mythological zombie as a personal friend.
Trying to update my sig ...
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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Oh he is most definitely crazy
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RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 17, 2011 at 3:18 pm
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It's not an if to me. I know there is a God. For the sake of argument, I entertained your theory but to me there is no doubt. I am responding to that fact in the most appropiate way possible, by taking up my cross and following Him.
The way I know God is real, most of all, is because of love. When I came to know God is there, He showed me He had always been there my entire life, taking care of me. Giving me good things and keeping me out of trouble. He loved me first, and now I am returning the favor.
(September 17, 2011 at 3:10 pm)frankiej Wrote: (September 17, 2011 at 3:05 pm)lucent Wrote: Well, I think about it this way..if I am being fooled by such a being it isn't my fault. I've tried my utmost to know who God is, and if He is letting me be fooled, then He obviously has no interest in me. In that case, it really doesn't matter. If God is evil it really doesn't matter. If there is no God it really doesn't matter.
So, then it doesn't really matter what you do...
And if there isn't a God, which I see being most probable, then you will have wasted your one and only life to a bunch of bullshit...
Because I had halluncinated before and it was nothing like that.
(September 17, 2011 at 3:12 pm)frankiej Wrote: How can you be certain that you weren't hallucinating?
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