Creation Museum

[jmayerfan]

Why do you believe the Bible is not real? I believe the Christian Bible is the only Relevant book we can go by.

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Who do you think could have ever make the stars in the sky and everything else run perfectly in sync?

Hahahaha. Since I think you're just going to hit and run, ie post this and never return, I won't be getting too into this with you. However, countless parts of the Bible contradict itself as well as history and science. How's that for starters?

Where does the bible Contradict itself? Prove it? Or do you have to wait til the day that you never wake up to find out different?

[ElDinero]

Mate, first thing you need to do is step out of preacher mode, that will not work. You need reasoned argument and evidence around here. If you don't have at least one of those (and history tells me you don't have the latter), you are going to look a prize prick every time you post.

The Bible contradicts itself in the way it directs people to act several times. This is why even among Christians, there are countless 'interpretations' of what the passages mean. Some people take them at face value, some claim they are allegorical, or metaphorical, or whatever. It's why liberals point to 'love thy neighbour' and conservatives point to 'I do not come to bring peace but a sword'. You can claim they are just different interpretations (if, you know, you want to be a liar) but the truth is some verses stand in direct contradiction to others.

The day I never wake up, I won't find out anything, because I will be dead. Unless you have some evidence that something other than my body ceasing to function will happen? In which case, we're all ears...

[Castle]

No. Einstein was an atheist. You and your "90-year old friend" are so horribly wrong its not even funny, its pathetic.

Letter to Eric Gutkind (partial)
Albert Einstein (1954)
Translated from the German by Joan Stambaugh

... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.

In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the priviliege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolisation. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.

Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, ie in our evalutations of human behaviour. What separates us are only intellectual 'props' and `rationalisation' in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.

With friendly thanks and best wishes

Yours, A. Einstein.
http://www.relativitybook.com/resources/...igion.html

You keep saying over and over again Albert Einstein was a spiritualist, well back up your claims. Put up or shut up because I'm getting sick of your bullcrap.

*sigh*

Like with guns, people with psychological or behavioural disorders should not be allowed to gain access to the Internet. Little knowledge and a big ego is a dangerous combination indeed.
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Where in that letter did Einstein claim he is an atheist. In fact where did Einstein write, show me one thing where Einstein claimed he is an atheist. Other than what atheists for obvious reason, claimed him as an atheist. ...No wonder, again I'm given this mainly greatest atheist in human history lists, where many great men not self proclaim atheist.

Itt, not in your letter, he dislike for Monolithically religions, like myself and even much mush greater Dawkins. For most part I think much the same as Einstein said, that he believed in a pantheistic God (a god that is the universe), his comments and statements admitting creation and divine thought better describe a theistic god.”

In conclusion, Einstein was not an atheist, and did not claim to be an atheist because did not know who God was. Nevertheless, he believed in God but not a personal god.

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He has moments of lucidity.

In the bathroom.

Rokcet maybe you have had enough of last words , your are sounding a little drunken.

[Minimalist]

Atheist do not domination the artist Profession on your lists or come close if

Are you using Babelfish or some other second rate translation program?

Fuck. If you can't speak English, stop trying and join the Tea Party.

[Castle]

Any last words before I leave this forum.

Ooh! Ooh! Yeah I have a couple! Thanks for the invite.

Go get shagged, you fucking weirdo.

That's me, a Bohemian gypsy and just met a woman, we are both a little weird yet compatible; life's is a little weird, we Live in a mutual weird world. Picking up a shagged rug for the fireplace, sorry can’t tell you any more than that.

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Atheist do not domination the artist Profession on your lists or come close if

Are you using Babelfish or some other second rate translation program?

Fuck. If you can't speak English, stop trying and join the Tea Party.

I'm leaving the Tea Party, will pick up more lessons in English elsewhere. Thank you for some English lessons the hard way.

[Rokcet Scientist]

I'm leaving the Tea Party, will pick up more lessons in English elsewhere. Thank you for some English lessons the hard way.

Congratulations! Two whole comprensible sentences! That's progress!
Now go and come back when you've finished Elementary School. We'll throw a party! With a clown, and a magician, and hamburgers, and a Playstation competition, and a paintball battle, and we'll go to Sixflags the whole day with all your buddies! Waaay cool, bro! Think about that!

[KichigaiNeko]

Castle really does have a persecution complex. I doubt our Spanish would be any better but at least we would state from the outset that we are trying to learn the language I am thinking.

[Zen Badger]

Where does the bible Contradict itself? Prove it? Or do you have to wait til the day that you never wake up to find out different?

Here you go buddy

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/j...tions.html

But I have to warn you, it's a loooong list.

[The Grand Nudger]

Spiritualist or apologetic ramblings would be more rational in spanish? Unlikely. Same argument, different pronunciation.

[Welsh cake]

Where in that letter did Einstein claim he is an atheist.
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In fact where did Einstein write, show me one thing where Einstein claimed he is an atheist. Other than what atheists for obvious reason, claimed him as an atheist.

Here:

The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.

Not believing and/or worshipping a god makes one an atheist. Do you want bolder text with your bold text? Larger font with exclamation marks? I think I can arrange that.

And he never "claimed" it dummy, which is irrelevant as he gradually deconverted from Judaism anyway. Something theists cannot accept to this day. I don't care. Einstein stated his ever-changing position with many eponymous articles on the subject. Indeed overtime he went from being an agnostic theist in the 1930s where he shared the belief system of a deist or verging on pantheism, to an agnostic atheist in 50s, towards the end of his life.

The media and press had a "fit" at this revelation. They made many attempts to take the writings out of context and present Albert Einstein as this “conventionally religious man”. Einstein was popular, atheists were not. Einstein therefore had to repeatedly address the issue time and again. It was never enough for some disingenuous tools out there though. This was an extract from one of his letters written on 24th March 1954:

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.

...No wonder, again I'm given this mainly greatest atheist in human history lists, where many great men not self proclaim atheist.

This is illegible... I'm sorry but you're just not making enough sense with this sentence here for me to respond to. Try again.

Itt, not in your letter, he dislike for Monolithically religions, like myself and even much mush greater Dawkins. For most part I think much the same as Einstein said, that he believed in a pantheistic God (a god that is the universe), his comments and statements admitting creation and divine thought better describe a theistic god.”

No. Interviews published in 1930 within G. S. Viereck's book "Glimpses of the Great" had Einstein explaining he did not consider himself to be a pantheist. A lot changed since then.

In conclusion, Einstein was not an atheist, and did not claim to be an atheist because did not know who God was.

No in conclusion Castle you are a tool. Again you confuse the very separate issues of what atheism and agnosticism are addressing. In his last days Einstein made it transparently clear he did not believe in any god, indeed he thought the label "god" was utterly meaningless.

Now if you don't believe in a single deity or deities you are by default, an atheist, whether you accept that term/label or not is irrelevant. I'm sorry but you can't have both. Not knowing with absolute certainty if there is an unseen god-like being somewhere in the cosmos or who created the universe (which is a red herring when we're talking in the context of practical meaningful knowledge) still makes one an atheist, specifically an agnostic atheist or weak atheist. They don't believe there is a god, but don't profess there is no god. Its existence is 'unknowable' in the context in which its being used here.

Nevertheless, he believed in God but not a personal god.

Here we go again. >_>

In the late 20s yes, he identified an affiliation with Spinoza's God concept, believing God exists and is abstract and impersonal. He thereby denied freewill also, a move which "pissed off" a lot of his Christian colleagues and Jewish friends.

Later on, he *rejected* the concept of a deity altogether as childish nonsense - the total sum of human weaknesses and superstition.

You see, as a Jewish National, Einstein was intentionally ambiguous about his beliefs and personal thoughts on God, religion, mysticism, and spirituality. He never openly proclaimed his lack of belief in monotheistic religions to start with because being called an "Atheist" back then was akin to being called a "bastard", if not worse. He'd be denounced by all his associates and acquaintances. It's easy for someone well versed in English or German to misunderstand his very enigmatic views and words in these and philosophy. Just like with Charles Darwin, it's a common theist tactic whenever building up straw man argument or making an appeal to authority (like what you're doing right now) to try and fallaciously quote mine Einstein's work and writings out of context, distorting its intended meaning.

None of this should matter. Although a brilliant physicist and scientist, Einstein was wrong about a lot of things. For instance he couldn't wrap his head around quantum mechanics. Albert Einstein was human like the rest of us, and was susceptible to peer pressure. He was a great thinker but not infallible and liable of intellectual dishonesty.

Einstein was an 'arsehole' with regards to his intellectual honesty on his religious views. He declared he believed in no god, yet rejected atheism. He had a mental block that allowed him to conflate strong atheism with weak atheism over and over again. Worse still he denigrated disbelievers, calling us all 'fanatical', which was wrong of him. Though his work on relativity was groundbreaking, on the subject of belief in god or gods, Einstein was a hypocrite in this regard.

Not just him but all humans are capable of cruelty and behaving like arseholes toward their fellow man (or men). Take the inventor Nikola Tesla for example; he was a Serbian Orthodox Christian. Like Einstein I don't really care what his beliefs or disbeliefs were, because I have nothing but respect for his work within commercial electricity, engineering and developments in the field of electromagnetism. He was a genius. As brilliant as innovative minds come. Yet like Einstein, he had his prejudices and shortcomings too. Nikola suffered from obsessive-compulsive-disorder. He would openly express disgust for people who were overweight, attacking women's attire, and harshly mocking others hygiene. Sadly, he went senile before he died. The rest as they say, is history.

Einstein was an atheist, whether you like it or not. And so what Castle if he died an atheist after all? What difference does that make for atheism or theism? What weight does that add to the argument of there being a creator entity out there? Why does this bother you so? Because then you'd have to put him in the same boat as Richard Dawkins? A humanist and freethinker whom you despise with no good reason? Really?

And I'm still waiting for proof that Einstein was a spiritualist by the way.