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(September 24, 2011 at 11:31 am)LastPoet Wrote: First of all, it is you that need to provide scientific proof for a creator, since its you making the claim that such a thing exists!
Secondly, as pointed out by the mods, please address the replies made to you instead of deflecting them.
I will remain quietly sit down as you come up with the proof(that way I won't get tired of wait standing.
The logical scientific proof is me. I am His creation.
Did you hear of a that wood and cement and sand and iron and water which combined in one place and mix together and moved by themselves and construct a very nice organized great building, and even more they didn't agree to make it, all these happened by chance!!
This is your evolution, brother.
I tell you nature and science are the perfect evidence of The Creator, may you tell me how nature created you?
Ok, last chance. Prove that your existence came about as a result of God's intervention. We admit you exist. Now prove that God is the reason for that.
Can't manage it? Then fuck off and stop wasting our time.
September 24, 2011 at 11:58 am (This post was last modified: September 24, 2011 at 12:00 pm by Rev. Rye.)
(September 24, 2011 at 10:10 am)Happy Forever Wrote: If you deny the creator then tell me who created you?
My parents. If you need any more to create a human being than a sperm and egg, I'd like to know it.
Quote:Yes men created gods but I am talking about The One.
Why should your God be any different?
Quote:What is nature and what is science?
Define them, their definitions explain clearly the creation of the Creator.
Nature: he phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or their creations.
Science: The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
I fail to see how they clearly explain "the creation of the creator."
(September 24, 2011 at 10:20 am)Happy Forever Wrote: I looked at your nice avator and asked myself, who took this photo?
But there is another prior question.
I meditate your great creation and the bueaty of the background natural scene and asked myself, Who created this beauty?!
I can tell you what created it: millennia of erosion and other natural processes.
(September 24, 2011 at 10:37 am)Happy Forever Wrote: Do you know what is my belief before comparing it to others?
I know that you seem to believe that nature proves the existence of God, and that it's likely that you're unaware that, among those who have dedicated their lives to study it, God is a hypothesis that has failed to present much evidence for itself.
(September 24, 2011 at 11:50 am)Happy Forever Wrote: I tell you nature and science are the perfect evidence of The Creator, may you tell me how nature created you?
Nature created me because a sperm and egg cell united somewhere in Skokie, IL in 1989.
Comparing the Universal Oneness of All Life to Yo Mama since 2010.
I was born with the gift of laughter and a sense the world is mad.
Quote:You ask doctors to tell you that you are alive and you yourself can't judge yourself?
Please point out where in my post that I said that.
Quote:How you make yourself alive now???!
What?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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(September 24, 2011 at 11:50 am)Happy Forever Wrote:
(September 24, 2011 at 11:31 am)LastPoet Wrote: First of all, it is you that need to provide scientific proof for a creator, since its you making the claim that such a thing exists!
Secondly, as pointed out by the mods, please address the replies made to you instead of deflecting them.
I will remain quietly sit down as you come up with the proof(that way I won't get tired of wait standing.
The logical scientific proof is me. I am His creation.
Did you hear of a that wood and cement and sand and iron and water which combined in one place and mix together and moved by themselves and construct a very nice organized great building, and even more they didn't agree to make it, all these happened by chance!!
This is your evolution, brother.
I tell you nature and science are the perfect evidence of The Creator, may you tell me how nature created you?
Hmm, this is a clear case of argument from incredulity in the form of:
1. Things are complicated in reality
2. Nothing complicated could form without an intelligence guiding it
3. Therefore God exists
1 is fairly easy to agree upon, but 2 makes a jump because complicated things form in nature all the time without an intelligence guiding them. Snowflakes for example or even salt crystals. We have a good working theory for both provided by science. 3 is the major sticking point because if God exists, why do you presuppose YOUR God? As other members have pointed out, why NOT Odin, or Azathoth the blind idiot god in the center of the universe? They are just as plausible as YHWH or Allah the moon god transformed to the current "the one" in the mythos of Islam.