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How can you be an atheist?!
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RE: How can you be an atheist?!
(September 24, 2011 at 11:54 am)ElDinero Wrote: Ok, last chance. Prove that your existence came about as a result of God's intervention. We admit you exist. Now prove that God is the reason for that.

Can't manage it? Then fuck off and stop wasting our time.

Who created me??

Myself? Of course no, I know nothing about myself, I even can see what is in front of me not me or what is inside me! If I am sick, I may die without knowing why.

My parents? Of course no. All what they did is being a cause for my existence, they are part of the defined circle which is not defined by them. They didn't grant me my eyes or my ears or my legs or my arms or my fingers or my heart..... They know nothing about their own creation, how they can do with me?

The evidence is that we all born and live and die in a restrict unbreakable rules not set by anyone because all are in side the circle.

Can you believe that Eiffil tower was built by itself?!!

One cell of you is more complicated than this tower.

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#32
RE: How can you be an atheist?!
Actually, your parents did "grant you" all of those things. Laws of inheritance and all. You have played a pretty active role in creating your "self". Which is where this nonsense originates from in the first place. One cell isn't strictly speaking more complicated than the Eiffel Tower btw, but it's a poetic description of life that we use often. It actually took many many cells to create the Eiffel Tower (human cells), so I'm not sure why we are asked to believe that it has no designer. We know that it does. The way you've phrased this question is borderline absurd. Are we positing god in the delivery room? Hopefully not, because he'd have more than a few deaths on his hands on that count. "The evidence" suggests many things, sadly, not god (even less so your God).

I have to ask, if everything requires a creator, who created god, and who created whatever created him, ad infinitum? If your parents are not the cause of your existence, at what point did god stick his hand up your mothers canal and place you within her womb? Was your father really necessary? Is there a moment, independent of biology, were something happens that is beyond our understanding of sexual reproduction and a human life is created? If so, can you point to that moment?

Lastly, do you have some argument for god that has eluded detection all these thousands of years and would lay the whole debate to rest? Are you in possession of some sort of evidence that would suggest that god exists? If stringing words together in the general pattern of your favorite you-tube apologist is all you have, you don't have much. The Eiffel Tower bit is a fun slogan, but you need evidence, not slogans.

We believe that you believe, now explain why.

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#33
RE: How can you be an atheist?!
(September 24, 2011 at 2:05 pm)Happy Forever Wrote: Who created me??

Myself? Of course no, I know nothing about myself, I even can see what is in front of me not me or what is inside me! If I am sick, I may die without knowing why.

My parents? Of course no. All what they did is being a cause for my existence, they are part of the defined circle which is not defined by them. They didn't grant me my eyes or my ears or my legs or my arms or my fingers or my heart..... They know nothing about their own creation, how they can do with me?
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#34
RE: How can you be an atheist?!
(September 24, 2011 at 11:58 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(September 24, 2011 at 10:10 am)Happy Forever Wrote: If you deny the creator then tell me who created you?

My parents. If you need any more to create a human being than a sperm and egg, I'd like to know it.

Thanks for your logical replies, my younger brother (I am older than you 3 years and today is my birthday).

But brother when a tree produce seeds, it doesn't create it it produce it. Ask your parents how did you make it yourselves, how you mom created an egg inside her when she was born in order to give birth of you after your father makes this very compelicated sperm with its genes.

Away from this complicated process, tell me how you make one hair of you? Take one hair and meditate it and tell me who created it and specifid it in this specific place. You who have it or your parents who may even not see it before or this inanimate hair itself?

Quote:Nature: he phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or their creations.

Science: The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Thank you.

Nature is the rules which controls the whole universe.
Science is what we discover from these rules.

Is science the universe and its components as you said heavens, earth, plants, animals, humans... or the rules that control them and thier lives?

How can you discover a thing and make it your creator?
Science is a study not a maker.

Nature is the rules and the things that follow these rules, the word nature is made not a maker. Did you hear of accurate and integrated beings made themselves? Did you hear of rules set by themselves?

So nature is the made of The God The Creator, The Originator, The Organizer.

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(September 24, 2011 at 10:20 am)Happy Forever Wrote: I looked at your nice avator and asked myself, who took this photo?

But there is another prior question.

I meditate your great creation and the bueaty of the background natural scene and asked myself, Who created this beauty?!
I can tell you what created it: millennia of erosion and other natural processes.

Natural processes.
Thank you. Any process must be made by someone or something but if it is natural process then it is made by Him.

Or else prove that everything is obliged to do what it does and has no choice but to does it like an inanimate ball falling from a mountain or like an inanimate gear in an inanimate clock.


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#35
RE: How can you be an atheist?!
Oh, too bad. You failed the challenge and instead resorted to a popular, well known, easily debunked logical fallacy.

Hint: Saying something 'must be' does not make it so. You still have not proven it to be the case. And once again, even if we conceded that we do require a creator, WHY IS IT NECESSARILY YOURS?

You really are a fucking idiot, or a poe.
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#36
RE: How can you be an atheist?!
How do you go about asking for proof of a god when you can't even provide any proof for your god? You say he is real but you still hold the burden of proof, and expect everyone else to prove that your god doesn't exist. We could have all the evidence in the world (which we already do) that god doesn't exist, but that isn't going to convince you. All it takes is a rational assumption, the only difference in being atheist and being religious is one irrational assumption on your life questions.

Why is it irrational?
Because it's not logical or reasonable to believe in a omnipotent being, no one is omnipotent. Some people believe that god made us and the entire universe, but the only reason god is brought into the equation is because their misunderstandings. You can tell this by Greek Mythology, they thought that volcanoes erupting was a sign that god was angry, but with science we figured out it was tectonic plates that caused volcanoes to erupt in certain parts of the world. With a greater more logical reasoning on how the universe works there is no need for a god. People use god to hide their fears about death, but how can one hide their fears of death with a constant reminder that everything they do could cause them infinite eternal suffering? That would only increase their paranoia, while on the other hand I find death as natural (because it is). Nothing bad is going to happen to me after I die, before I was born nothing happened to me, after I die it will be the same. Some people use god to show their "moral" values, which in the case of Christianity, there isn't any morals getting spouted out of that book of shit.
What I don't seem to understand is why EVERYONE is socially required to believe in a god? What difference does it make if I don't believe in a god or your god? Maybe it's the teaching of the religion you are acquainted to that calls for being ignorant towards someones set of beliefs or lack thereof.

Now, could you provide a reasonable, logical, scientific approach to your beliefs?
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#37
RE: How can you be an atheist?!
He's way too uneducated for me. He knows fuck all about anything. It's like he never went to school. Definitely something I'd expect from a 5 year old.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#38
RE: How can you be an atheist?!
(September 24, 2011 at 12:32 pm)Cinjin Wrote:
(September 24, 2011 at 12:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: This one wandered off the Res.

agreed. I see a troubled future for this one.

I am still waiting for your respectful participation.

This is logic. Muslims are the maker of logic.

Logic is to discover facts by facts purely by mind.
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#39
RE: How can you be an atheist?!
(September 24, 2011 at 2:30 pm)Happy Forever Wrote: Take one hair and meditate it and tell me who created it and specifid it in this specific place.

I'm not exactly sure what one hopes to discover about hair by meditation?

So nature is the made of The God The Creator, The Originator, The Organizer.

You have evidence that this world is "created"? Evidence of the "creator" which this implies? Evidence that this implied creator is the one you worship?

Italics are obviously mine. You're going about this entirely backwards. No one here has an obligation to educate you on subjects for which you should already have received at least some education (and there's plenty of incentive not to help you with this, judging by how it's obviously gone for the last folks who tried to lift you up out of ignorance). You have your claim, now back it up.


I find it difficult to respect willful and intolerant ignorance. Don't even get me started on islamic fundamentalist or islam itself. Hooah.
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#40
RE: How can you be an atheist?!
(September 24, 2011 at 2:38 pm)Happy Forever Wrote:
(September 24, 2011 at 12:32 pm)Cinjin Wrote:
(September 24, 2011 at 12:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: This one wandered off the Res.

agreed. I see a troubled future for this one.

I am still waiting for your respectful participation.

This is logic. Muslims are the maker of logic.

Logic is to discover facts by facts purely by mind.

If you were the makers of logic than no one would be arguing with you all, and this world would blindly follow whatever "logical" path you seem to be on.
Obviously that post wasn't logical because logic is viewed on opinion.
Shouldn't it be "Muslims are the makers of logic."
Just goes to show your logical sentence structure. Smile
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