Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[fr0d0]

Literary proponents of the biological life cycle of Homo sapiens as beginning with the fertilized egg or zygote:

Saladin, K. (2001). Anatomy and Physiology, 2nd ed. New York: McGraw-Hill.
Browder, L., Erickson, C. & Jeffery, W. (1991). Developmental Biology, 3rd ed. Philadelphia: Harcourt College Publishing.
Moore, K. (1982). The Developing Human, 3rd ed. Philadelphia: W. B. Saunders Company.

See also “Human” in Wikipedia, specifically the biology section describing the human life cycle.



Human life as defined by scientists IS NOT also any isolated human cell which is alive. Sperms are alive, human eggs are alive. BUT THEY ARE NOT HUMANS. lol.

Of course.... "Life" began a long time ago. If it wasn't human life... then why are we talking about it? Answer = to shift so far off topic as to meake the discussion meaningless. I get it.

An apendix is alive. BUT IT ISN'T A HUMAN.

Rhythm: I am arguing that to terminate a pregnancy is in some cases unjust, from a purely scientific POV. People on this thread have suggested some reasons that I have pointed out my problem with. Now either you agree or disagree with my reasoning on all of those separate points.

The point of my disagreement isn't to change the law... like you keep trying to label me with. Your plight there is transparently disingenuous.

If you had dismissed anything at all that I've said, besides accuse me of what I've never ever said, then I might agree that mine were weak justifications. But as usual... you think what you say should be agreed to and never questioned. You don't disprove any points, you only seek to ridicule the arguemnt with points which are way off subject. I'm on the verge of ignoring you, because I am constantly finding your posts to be without substance. You have some sort of hangup, and seem to be unable to voice why.

[The Grand Nudger]

And again you're doing the same thing. The human life cycle begins at conception. Care to quantify "unjust", maybe reference that to a peer reviewed journal? It's a legal issue which has drawn support from a discipline of science, not the other way around. What would be the difference between reading my posts and ignoring me? Likely nothing.

What terms biologists use to describe or classify any organisms life cycle is completely meaningless within the context of our laws.

"But some scientist said life begins at conception!" Did he say it in court, after putting forward a peer reviewed paper directly responding to the question of abortion and morality?

There is no consensus in the scientific community that human life begins at conception with regards to the abortion debate. Because it's a charged question, with contrived definitions of the terms involved.

[frankiej]

Abortions FTW

[kılıç_mehmet]

Abortions FTW

Well, I generally view abortion as nothing more than something that should be used in necessity.
Having an abortion is not a good thing. I don't know why pro-choice guys glorify abortions whereas pro-lifers demonize them.
Abortion is a medical procedure like any other.
In truth, it does not matter if human life begins at conception. Abortions are in some cases, necessary. Like a life threatening birth, and of course, in case of mental and physically handicapped children(I support the elimination of these before they could even be brought to the world), however, I will not willfully support the abortion of a healthy child just because the mother was too stupid/drunk/stoned/high. Not that I would still say that she doesn't have the right to abort it, which she does.

[Phaedra]

Abortions FTW

Well, I generally view abortion as nothing more than something that should be used in necessity.
Having an abortion is not a good thing. I don't know why pro-choice guys glorify abortions whereas pro-lifers demonize them.
Abortion is a medical procedure like any other.
In truth, it does not matter if human life begins at conception. Abortions are in some cases, necessary. Like a life threatening birth, and of course, in case of mental and physically handicapped children(I support the elimination of these before they could even be brought to the world), however, I will not willfully support the abortion of a healthy child just because the mother was too stupid/drunk/stoned/high. Not that I would still say that she doesn't have the right to abort it, which she does.

Wow...you're a peach, Mehmet.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Abortions FTW

Well, I generally view abortion as nothing more than something that should be used in necessity.
Having an abortion is not a good thing. I don't know why pro-choice guys glorify abortions whereas pro-lifers demonize them.
Abortion is a medical procedure like any other.
In truth, it does not matter if human life begins at conception. Abortions are in some cases, necessary. Like a life threatening birth, and of course, in case of mental and physically handicapped children(I support the elimination of these before they could even be brought to the world), however, I will not willfully support the abortion of a healthy child just because the mother was too stupid/drunk/stoned/high. Not that I would still say that she doesn't have the right to abort it, which she does.

Wow...you're a peach, Mehmet.

Well, that's the truth.
No intelligent woman would have a child before planning ahead.
So, either is this person really stupid, as not to use protection, or under the influence of a substance.

[Shell B]

Every time I read your posts, the way I picture your world shrinks. Soon, I will picture you as living in a box.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Every time I read your posts, the way I picture your world shrinks. Soon, I will picture you as living in a box.

Well, I have to say that I have not yet seen a case where a woman got an abortion after a planned pregnancy(unless there were complications).

[IATIA]

At what point is the line drawn?

This is not for the faint of heart! This is a real life horror story from first hand experience and still quite depressing. I no longer work in the medical field because of religion.

With these several threads on abortion, capital punishment etc., where some responses were "it is always wrong to kill", I thought I would go all the way.

Again! This is not for the faint of heart. This is a true story. I was there.

In the mid seventies, I worked at a children's hospital in the emergency room as an EMT. If things were slow in the ER and there was a shortage on one of the floors, they would send some of us up to help out. I was assigned to the 'premie' unit one night where the premature infants were kept on life support because 'pulling the plug' was not acceptable.

Now, this is not an isolated case nor the worst case I have ever had to deal with. This baby was 2-3 months premature and had a breathing tube and an IV for food. The child was never conscious and for all intents and purposes, dead. The problem was that the heart did not know this and kept on beating, so exhaustive efforts (labor, resources, finances, etc) were made to keep this child alive.

One of the maintenance procedures each shift was to remove the breathing tube, clean and re-insert it. One shift that I was on, as the nurse removed the breathing tube, the tongue came out with the tube. After cleaning, the nurse attempted to re-insert the tube and now pieces of the mouth were coming apart, This child's whole body was completely necrotic. It was like old angel food cake and yet the heart kept going and so the resources.

It was "against god's law" to pull the plug and end this poor child's life.

[Shell B]

Oh, goodness. That is horrific!

Kilic, not all birth control measures are infallible. My sister has been pregnant twice since she had her tubes tied.