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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 12:06 am
To CoxRox:
I am a man of limited patience. If you wish to perform your mental gymnastics to shoe-horn everything about Christianity into your nice little bubble, be my guest. But if you want to convince others of the truth of these claims, you should probably stop trying to do it like a five year old, because the first reaction I have is to piss myself laughing. The second reaction, to pity anybody near you who you inflict this shit upon. You're in your forties, and it's fairly embarrassing that somebody twenty years your junior should have to explain things like 'don't use your own presuppositions to prove a claim' or 'don't cite things like Josephus which have long ago been proven to be a load of shit'.
You're either fairly stupid or wilfully dishonest when you come in here claiming that things like Josephus give you the support you need to believe what you believe. Even the slightest bit of research would tell you how flimsy a source that is, so you either haven't bothered to check it, or you have and you're ignoring the evidence that doesn't already support your view, which is what I suspect. Why don't you just have the honesty to say that you believe it because you want to? Your position isn't based on mountains of credible evidence, it's based on your own wishful thinking. That much is painfully obvious to anyone who gives this thread even a cursory glance.
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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 4:29 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2011 at 4:35 am by fr0d0.)
Yes you choose to accept the minority view Min. As a non historian I'm happy to use Occam's razor and go with the majority. If I ever saw convincing evidence I'd accept that too.
That both of you need to resort to expletives demonstrates the desperation of your position. From what I've seen, and I've been looking hard for 3 years now, as a member here and elsewhere: Atheism is completely illogical. No one can justify it against swathes of justification coming at you. At worst: It is more than anything life destroying: inspiration for the desperate and suicidal.
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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 5:20 am
No, it isn't.
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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 5:22 am
Agreed. It isn't.
If you think that, fr0d0, then your brain obviously doesn't understand logic.
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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 6:31 am
(October 20, 2011 at 11:24 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: My philosophy is that God gave us everything we need and the rest is up to us. Some people don't even have a roof over their heads. In the UK alone thousands die every year from fuel poverty.
'God' in either a theistic or deistic worldview is a giant prick. To have so much power and yet does nothing useful or beneficial for others with it. The only equivocation I think of is a selfish dick who acquires the power to wish for anything but decides to wish for nothing instead.
Quote:Don't wait for miracles. Make your own.
In what context are you using the word miracle? Divine intervention? Or violation of the laws of nature? I'm not aware of any such man-made event ever occurring.
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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 7:03 am
(October 22, 2011 at 4:29 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Atheism is completely illogical. No one can justify it against swathes of justification coming at you. Yep, justifications, loads and loads of justifications.
No actual evidence, but lots of justifcations.
Quote:At worst: It is more than anything life destroying: inspiration for the desperate and suicidal.
If this what you still believe even after those 3 years of dealing with atheists here then truly you are foolish and self deceiving.
And you have learned nothing at all.
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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 7:10 am
Quote:Yes you choose to accept the minority view Min. As a non historian I'm happy to use Occam's razor and go with the majority.
Don't think it's about choosing the minority or not. Doesn't matter how many people believe, they can still be all wrong. Numbers count for nothing. Argumentum ad populum, it's a fallacious argument. Also Occam's razer states that sticking to the simple until there is evidence of the complex, not sticking to the complex. Not going with the belief just because most believe believe it. That's not Occam's Razer.
Quote:That both of you need to resort to expletives demonstrates the desperation of your position.
You mean like stating the obvious? Like there is no evidence for a Jebus, nor that he rose from the dead or would ever return? Stating the obvious is not desperation. You believe in the improbable, not me.
Quote:From what I've seen, and I've been looking hard for 3 years now, as a member here and elsewhere: Atheism is completely illogical.
Demonstrate how atheism is illogical.
Quote: It is more than anything life destroying: inspiration for the desperate and suicidal.
Lacking belief in an extraordinary claim is somehow....harmful? How? Demonstrate it.
Also 'inspiration for the desperate and suicidal'? How? It's just a lack of belief for fuck sake!
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 7:15 am
He is just talking out his arse as usual.
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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 7:20 am
(October 22, 2011 at 4:29 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes you choose to accept the minority view Min. As a non historian I'm happy to use Occam's razor and go with the majority. If I ever saw convincing evidence I'd accept that too.
That both of you need to resort to expletives demonstrates the desperation of your position. From what I've seen, and I've been looking hard for 3 years now, as a member here and elsewhere: Atheism is completely illogical. No one can justify it against swathes of justification coming at you. At worst: It is more than anything life destroying: inspiration for the desperate and suicidal. Atheism may be illogical, but I've never seen you demonstrate that, nor demostrate Theism is logical. There are also plenty of atheist thinkers and coherent systems of thought which demonstrate the opposite. You would need to start actually making an argument, until then we can ignore any conclusions you make like us to draw from such dismal posts.
As for Occam's Razor the simplest expalnation to anything is unlikely to be of the amazingly powerful, so complex its simple, ultimate uber mind, thats defies definition and is invisible, ineffable, incorporeal. But then the god concept is so meaningless, it doesn't even get off the ground without baseless assertions of said entities abilities/nature/character...
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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RE: Another question for Christians
October 22, 2011 at 7:34 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2011 at 7:34 am by ElDinero.)
I'm also disappointed to see Fr0d0 fall back on 'you use naughty words, this proves that you know you're beaten'. You don't really believe that, do you? Fucking swear words are used for fucking emphasis. The fucking validity of your fucking point is not affected by using fucking swear words.
E = MC fuckin' squared, bitch. Has the equation become invalid because I used naughty words? No. Stupid point, doesn't make sense. Rational my bumhole.
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