A really hard question on Satan and deception.

[The Grand Nudger]

Conspiracy!

(did I sum that up well enough Lucent?)

[lucent]

I have a 100% bias towards your idiotic parody of what the christian god must be.

You have a 100 percent bias against Christianity, period. You have stated plainly what you think about it many times.

Great, lets see that evidence.

Right now I am showing evidence that radiometric dating is a very inexact science in response to the supposition that the age of the earth cannot be young.

Because things that don't exist don't have the ability to introduce anything.

The existence of God has already been presumed in the hypothetical. Again, why can't God introduce a new rule into the system?

Figuring out your bullshit doesn't even come close to "figuring it all out". Guess all the muslims, buddhists, etc give weight to their claims as well, or maybe this argument only works for what you believe?

No, but it works against your original argument.

Took a little more than five minutes to get where I am amigo, back to the drawing board. You keep repeating the same tired shit without providing any of the evidence I asked for. If you want to be taken seriously, and if you want me to take your god seriously, and if there is such a god, it shouldn't be so seemingly impossible for you to do this.

I've already told how you can get the evidence. You spend all of your time critisizing Christianity and refuse to do the one thing which could prove it one way or another. That's ignorant behavior. So, it's still on you.

[The Grand Nudger]

ad naus.

See, what really grinds me here is that you're plainly attempting to convince yourself that the only reason that I do not believe is that I do not understand, or have not taken the time to investigate your fairy tale. There simply cannot be any other reason, to you. Whether or not I have is irrelevant, because you need this to be true regardless. It's pathetic. You are not only incapable of giving me any reasons to doubt my own interpretation, you are incapable of giving me any reasons to doubt the dissenting interpretations of your fellow christians, or indeed the interpretations of the divine by members of any other faith. Their lie exposes your own, and vice versa.

[lucent]

As to radiometric dating,

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&...1DJdaMaeHA

But apart from that, how do you explain plate tectonics, coral reefs, the size of the observable universe, the evidence of molecular genetics, the absence of geology compatible with the flood etc,etc,etc

Well, I'll get to some of that, lets try this one thing at a time. C-14 wasn't the only dating method referred to in the quotes. The fact is, c-14 dating is only accurate out to about 50,000 years. Creationists and Evolutionists agree that C-14 is useless for determining ages of millions or billions of years. Yet funnily enough, we find viable C-14 in diamonds, fossils and coal that is supposed to be millions of years old. In every case it has been claimed that the samples have been contaminated.

There are just huge discrepencies. A creation scientist submitted bones from an allosaurus without telling the laboratory what it was and it came back with an age of 10,000 to 16,000 years. The RATE project does this all the time and frequently gets ages of billions and millions of years for things which are hundreds of years old.

http://www.icr.org/rate/

[KichigaiNeko]

As to radiometric dating,

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&...1DJdaMaeHA

But apart from that, how do you explain plate tectonics, coral reefs, the size of the observable universe, the evidence of molecular genetics, the absence of geology compatible with the flood etc,etc,etc

Well, I'll get to some of that, lets try this one thing at a time. C-14 wasn't the only dating method referred to in the quotes. The fact is, c-14 dating is only accurate out to about 50,000 years. Creationists and Evolutionists agree that C-14 is useless for determining ages of millions or billions of years. Yet funnily enough, we find viable C-14 in diamonds, fossils and coal that is supposed to be millions of years old. In every case it has been claimed that the samples have been contaminated.

There are just huge discrepencies. A creation scientist submitted bones from an allosaurus without telling the laboratory what it was and it came back with an age of 10,000 to 16,000 years. The RATE project does this all the time and frequently gets ages of billions and millions of years for things which are hundreds of years old.

http://www.icr.org/rate/

I am thinking you are about 5 years out of date there lucy

[The Grand Nudger]

5? Try 2,011.

[lucent]

ad naus.

See, what really grinds me here is that you're plainly attempting to convince yourself that the only reason that I do not believe is that I do not understand, or have not taken the time to investigate your fairy tale. There simply cannot be any other reason, to you. Whether or not I have is irrelevant, because you need this to be true regardless. It's pathetic. You are not only incapable of giving me any reasons to doubt my own interpretation, you are incapable of giving me any reasons to doubt the dissenting interpretations of your fellow christians, or indeed the interpretations of the divine by members of any other faith. Their lie exposes your own, and vice versa.

What I think is that you look for evidence to support your position, and listen to people who agree with that position. I'm sure you've done a lot of investigating, but you've never actually done what Jesus said to do to find out the truth. Strange, isn't it? That you'd spend all of this time finding things to convince yourself that you are right, but refuse to do the one thing that could prove it.

I'll tell you why you won't do it. Because of who you belong to, and he knows that as soon as you bend your knees and humble yourself enough to ask God for the truth, its over. As soon as you open that door he can never shut it again. So that rebellious part of you that he owns will absolutely refuse to yield on this point.

If you were honestly interested in the truth you would find it. All you're really interested in is confirming what you want to be true.

[The Grand Nudger]

Care to quantify any of that, lay my life out on a timeline and provide justification for your claims about my actions and motivations?

Care to point me in the direction of any "truths" that would confirm your interpretation (as I've been asking you to do since we had the misfortune of your coming back to the boards)?

What is it, have I not investigated at all, or have I done alot of investigating? You've checked out of reality on so many levels that your own mind seems to be incapable of communicating with itself leading to you arguing for and against nearly every position you hold (that you've expressed on these boards) simultaneously.

Scientific inquiry is invalid/valid
God requires no justification/you offer justification
The only evidence needed is scripture/proceeds to offer "evidence" from anywhere but scripture

etc etc etc

[lucent]

Care to quantify any of that, lay my life out on a timeline and provide justification for your claims about my actions and motivations?

Care to point me in the direction of any "truths" that would confirm your interpretation (as I've been asking you to do since we had the misfortune of your coming back to the boards)?

What is it, have I not investigated at all, or have I done alot of investigating? You've checked out of reality on so many levels that your own mind seems to be incapable of communicating with itself leading to you arguing for and against nearly every position you hold simultaneously.

I've already told you. Humble yourself, ask God for the truth, and He will reveal it to you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Care to quantify my relative amount of humility? And if I have and he did not?