A really hard question on Satan and deception.

[Greatest I am]

God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

Do you still maintain that God does not deceive?

Regards
DL

[Godscreated]

God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

Do you still maintain that God does not deceive?

Regards
DL

I've answered these before please pay attention.

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A really hard question on Satan and deception.

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You all know that I always have answers for everything but these ones have me stumped. That or Satan is deceiving me. How could I know?

If you have never sought out God then Satan doesn't have a need to deceive you. He will let you believe your own ideas, this way he doesn't have to waste time on you.

If angels have free will, why has one never shown themselves?

They have read scriptures and you will discover when and where. they appear as men so as to not reveal who they truly are except to those they have been sent to. When they came to people in private they may have appeared as angels. You never know when you might have meet an angel.

There are apparently good angels and evil angels that have been renamed as demons.

If either of these showed itself, we could not distinguish it from God himself. No one has ever seen God.

God is Spirit, HE has no physical form,read the scriptures please. The angels have a physical body and you can bet when you come in the presents of God you will surely know.

Would we accept it as God and be deceived?

Come to think of it you probably would just as other non believers would, if you have no personal relationship with Christ how could you know.

After all, it is said by God that Satan has the power to deceive the whole world.
Knowing this, and knowing that most of the world belongs to one religion or another. It follows that most people in these religions have been deceived.

You are correct about the power of satan, read Mk. 13:22 and you will see that the elect (the followers of Christ) will not be deceived, why, because we have a relationship with the true God and know Him, satan does not have the power to reveal himself as the true God.

How then can believers be so sure that they follow the right God?
As scripture indicates that most if not all will be following the wrong God thanks to deception.

The answer is a the same as the above.

Are you somehow immune to Satan, who can deceive the whole world?

Yes as I said christians have a relationship with God, we know Him personally and will see through satans attempts to deceive.

If atheists are deceived, then there really is a God.
If believers are deceived, then there really is no God.

If a believer, how do you get around this catch 22.

Yes to the first part, no to the second part, why, if a believer was deceived there would have to be a deceiver and since you are making statements about God and satan I assume you are sticking to the story that God created Lucifer who becomes the deceiver by his own choice, thus a deceiver then there must be God.

Are morals the only good way around it?

If so, then if you are a believer that believes that Sodom or the genocide of Noah’s day is good justice, does that mean that you have been deceived?

Having good morals will not give you a relationship with Christ, you can do all the good you can stand but you will still belong to satan.
To the second part, those things you mention are just because God who is just determined it was just. The decision He made is just no matter what you or I think. So, no we as christians have not been deceived.

Because on the face of it, since non believers are a minority and think it evil, then you, as part of the majority and think it good, must be wrong.

Is genocide then a good thing or an evil thing?

It's neither for you or I to say what is morally right and just only the moral and just God of heaven can determine such, we trust God in His righteousness. For man to commit genocide is wrong, for God to punish the wicked is just and right.

Careful, you have definitely been deceived if God was right. Satan has deceived you.

Regards
DL

God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.

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You really believe all that shit, huh?

Can you explain to everybody why god has killed millions of people and satan has killed one and satan is the evil one?

Absolutely. Satan through deception has killed millions. Stalin comes to mind.

[Cinjin]

I've answered these before please pay attention.

Not to anyone's satisfaction.

G-C and the other brothers-in-christ: "You're taking it out of context!" "Evil doesn't mean evil here ... only in those other verses." "You have to read the Hebrew/Arabic/Greek!" "It was translated wrong!" "That's the Old covenant, we have a New covenant!" "You don't understand because you don't want to!" "I can't expect an unbeliever to understand this!" "You clearly have not read the scriptures!" "You were never a REAL christian!" "You can't expect to understand the mind of the almighty god!"







Christianity: Keep your eyes closed real tight and don't let go of the line ... otherwise you'll be the one leading everyone else around.

[Norfolk And Chance]

God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

Do you still maintain that God does not deceive?

Regards
DL

I've answered these before please pay attention.

---

A really hard question on Satan and deception.

---

You all know that I always have answers for everything but these ones have me stumped. That or Satan is deceiving me. How could I know?

If you have never sought out God then Satan doesn't have a need to deceive you. He will let you believe your own ideas, this way he doesn't have to waste time on you.

If angels have free will, why has one never shown themselves?

They have read scriptures and you will discover when and where. they appear as men so as to not reveal who they truly are except to those they have been sent to. When they came to people in private they may have appeared as angels. You never know when you might have meet an angel.

There are apparently good angels and evil angels that have been renamed as demons.

If either of these showed itself, we could not distinguish it from God himself. No one has ever seen God.

God is Spirit, HE has no physical form,read the scriptures please. The angels have a physical body and you can bet when you come in the presents of God you will surely know.

Would we accept it as God and be deceived?

Come to think of it you probably would just as other non believers would, if you have no personal relationship with Christ how could you know.

After all, it is said by God that Satan has the power to deceive the whole world.
Knowing this, and knowing that most of the world belongs to one religion or another. It follows that most people in these religions have been deceived.

You are correct about the power of satan, read Mk. 13:22 and you will see that the elect (the followers of Christ) will not be deceived, why, because we have a relationship with the true God and know Him, satan does not have the power to reveal himself as the true God.

How then can believers be so sure that they follow the right God?
As scripture indicates that most if not all will be following the wrong God thanks to deception.

The answer is a the same as the above.

Are you somehow immune to Satan, who can deceive the whole world?

Yes as I said christians have a relationship with God, we know Him personally and will see through satans attempts to deceive.

If atheists are deceived, then there really is a God.
If believers are deceived, then there really is no God.

If a believer, how do you get around this catch 22.

Yes to the first part, no to the second part, why, if a believer was deceived there would have to be a deceiver and since you are making statements about God and satan I assume you are sticking to the story that God created Lucifer who becomes the deceiver by his own choice, thus a deceiver then there must be God.

Are morals the only good way around it?

If so, then if you are a believer that believes that Sodom or the genocide of Noah’s day is good justice, does that mean that you have been deceived?

Having good morals will not give you a relationship with Christ, you can do all the good you can stand but you will still belong to satan.
To the second part, those things you mention are just because God who is just determined it was just. The decision He made is just no matter what you or I think. So, no we as christians have not been deceived.

Because on the face of it, since non believers are a minority and think it evil, then you, as part of the majority and think it good, must be wrong.

Is genocide then a good thing or an evil thing?

It's neither for you or I to say what is morally right and just only the moral and just God of heaven can determine such, we trust God in His righteousness. For man to commit genocide is wrong, for God to punish the wicked is just and right.

Careful, you have definitely been deceived if God was right. Satan has deceived you.

Regards
DL

God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.

---

You really believe all that shit, huh?

Can you explain to everybody why god has killed millions of people and satan has killed one and satan is the evil one?

Absolutely. Satan through deception has killed millions. Stalin comes to mind.

1) can you prove that Stalin was possesed by satan?

2) god has still killed millions in his own name.

[IATIA]

Absolutely. Satan through deception has killed millions. Stalin comes to mind.

Your god killed millions, Satan killed 10 people on god's authority. I can source that through your bible. What is your source for millions killed by Satan?


@Cinjin

Of course all this god/Satan thing is 'mumbo jumbo'. That is part of the point of discussion, to show the idiocy and contradictions of believing and practicing these fairy tales.

[Greatest I am]

God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

Do you still maintain that God does not deceive?

Regards
DL

I've answered these before please pay attention.

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Thanks for doing unto me what you would want others to do to you.

Chastisement without correction shows the hate in your heart Christian.

Regards
DL

[Cinjin]

The attached video could go in several current threads right now. This one seemed as good a thread as any with this beauty from GC:

God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.

God will keep you safe? It isn't Satan throwing you into hell ... it's your self-absorbed asshole of a god.


For your own consideration, here's two assholes talking about the "justice" of your god. Notice how little attempt is made by the evangelist to defend the disgusting nature of his angry desert god. Basically, he's saying "sorry that's just the way it is." Even that prick O'Reilly thinks that it's a bit extreme and goes so far as to defend holocaust victims. AND STILL this evangelist assbag sums it up to ... "hey, that's the word of god - deal with it."






christianity sucks and if you agree with this evangelist ass hat ... than so do you.

[The Grand Nudger]

God is a great case study in abuse of power and misuse of authority. What a powerful and useful metaphor. How often do human tyrant's behave in exactly the same manner? A message that will be relevant as long as human beings breathe. Hell, it's a metaphor a god might put in a story to teach us a lesson. It's just unfortunate that it can be no such thing, and that I'm a faithless evil-doer for suggesting it, or imagining gods wise enough to have beaten us to it.

[Godscreated]

The attached video could go in several current threads right now. This one seemed as good a thread as any with this beauty from GC:

God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.

God will keep you safe? It isn't Satan throwing you into hell ... it's your self-absorbed asshole of a god.


For your own consideration, here's two assholes talking about the "justice" of your god. Notice how little attempt is made by the evangelist to defend the disgusting nature of his angry desert god. Basically, he's saying "sorry that's just the way it is." Even that prick O'Reilly thinks that it's a bit extreme and goes so far as to defend holocaust victims. AND STILL this evangelist assbag sums it up to ... "hey, that's the word of god - deal with it."






christianity sucks and if you agree with this evangelist ass hat ... than so do you.

Then I guess I do.