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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 20, 2011 at 8:25 am
Quote:I think a lot of us on here just want to live nice, quiet lives and don't desire trying to deconvert people. However some theists don't allow us to do that. Because of this whole mindset of a cosmic battle between good and evil and that souls need to be saved, so they try and convert us to their particular brand of theism.
Indeed. The problem is that theists act as if their beliefs were a matter of fact. They really believe there are such things as souls, afterlife and super beings. But it's just a personal belief, it has no connection to the real world. It's just a fantasy. But they insist on acting on it. And for us, that's a problem because we wan't nothing to do with it.
(November 20, 2011 at 8:15 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Er, I'd care if god was suddenly proven. Particularly because he is an absolute twat, and I'd be in trouble. I'm not too worried. If there is a god who really is extremely wise and all knowing, I'm pretty sure he/she wouldn't be half as stupid as the Christian god. Don't think a super wise being would torture people for eternity for simply lacking a belief. It's something you'd expect from stone age or dark age religious wackos. Not from a super intelligent being.
Whether we're right or wrong, I think we're quite safe. 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 20, 2011 at 8:52 am
I used to be quite active in discussing God's existence with theists until it gradually dawned on me that this was a largely pointless exercise because it was unlikely we'd come to any meaningful resolution. There are certain issues where I suffer from what is perhaps best described as discussion fatigue.
I just see no benefit in expressing views on a particular subject when previous experience has demonstrated that no meaningful discussion is going to take place, and this is not just limited to discussions on the existence of God.
Um...
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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 20, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Apatheist seems to sum me up though i never really decided to become one, i just turned out that way. I just want to live my life and have no interest in convincing people that there is no god. The only time i do so is when someone insults me for being a “stupid atheist” or if they tell me about how awful the world would be if it was full of atheists etc. Then and only then will i wipe the floor with them. With alot of religious people you can present all the evidence you like and they wont be interested. Perhaps they are frightened that everything they've built their life around will turn out to be a lie.
“It is surely harmful to the souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved” - Galileo Galilei
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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 20, 2011 at 2:48 pm
(November 20, 2011 at 8:08 am)Welsh cake Wrote: you haven't read my OP - I am questioning myself. Yeah. You're questioning wether you should question yourself any more. You're dissapearing up your own arse hole.
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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 20, 2011 at 6:04 pm
(November 20, 2011 at 2:48 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (November 20, 2011 at 8:08 am)Welsh cake Wrote: you haven't read my OP - I am questioning myself. Yeah. You're questioning wether you should question yourself any more. You're dissapearing up your own arse hole.
An infinitely better choice than disappearing up god's arse hole - it's full of fucking xtians.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 20, 2011 at 6:37 pm
With all due respect to Frods he is as delusional about his invisible sky-daddy as the other morons infesting the site...he is merely less of a twat about it.
What our British friends have to worry about is not "god" who is irrelevant but "religion" which very much exists and might result in a bullshit artist similiar to G-C or Waldork sitting in the White House and caressing the nuclear trigger because he thinks his fucking god told him "the end is near."
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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 20, 2011 at 6:54 pm
I too am apathetic towards the concept of god. Being an American though, I cannot in good conscious become apathetic towards the stranglehold religion has over our society. The discussions of God's existence have definitely become pointless and empty. It's the influence of other's beliefs that dictate political stances that largely keeps me from ignoring the issue altogether.
@ fr0d0. Being apathetic doesn't mean giving up questioning your beliefs. It means not wanting to engage in the same repetitive arguments over and over again, and it also means coming to the conclusion that God's existence is of no consequence in your daily life.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 20, 2011 at 6:57 pm
(November 20, 2011 at 6:37 pm)Minimalist Wrote: With all due respect to Frods he is as delusional about his invisible sky-daddy as the other morons infesting the site...he is merely less of a twat about it.
What our British friends have to worry about is not "god" who is irrelevant but "religion" which very much exists and might result in a bullshit artist similiar to G-C or Waldork sitting in the White House and caressing the nuclear trigger because he thinks his fucking god told him "the end is near."
Reminds me of the video where Matt Damon is tearing into Sarah Palin and mentions "she could have the nuclear codes!" Did you ever see that?
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 20, 2011 at 6:59 pm
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(November 20, 2011 at 8:07 am)Justtristo Wrote: Fr0d0 people can become too open-minded that their brains fall out. So narrow mindedness to an extent that people's thinking is tempered by rigors the scientific method is a good thing. As I say, keep and open mind, but put a filter on it.
(November 20, 2011 at 7:19 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I think you've become so narrow minded WC that you're gradually dissmissing any POV other than your own. You have zero arguments that I've seen and you're walling yourself in so that you're perfectly insulated from questioning yourself. Putting the blame on others is convenient. How many of the facts and or truths presented here are new? None I'd suggest. All that changes is your understanding. If you're saying you're closed to learning, then be honest and face that. ^Classic example of tired old argument that makes me not interested in discussion anymore.
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RE: I think I'm becoming an Apatheist
November 21, 2011 at 5:45 am
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(November 20, 2011 at 2:48 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (November 20, 2011 at 8:08 am)Welsh cake Wrote: you haven't read my OP - I am questioning myself. Yeah. You're questioning wether you should question yourself any more. You're dissapearing up your own arse hole.
People don't have to keep questioning and considering god's existence. You know why? Because it's just a personal belief. It has no support, it's of no real concern and people don't have to hear about it. I've given a lot of time considering and questioning and arguing. Perhaps now is a good time to close the book and move on, because I know where I stand.
Arguing about god's existence all the time is just pointless, it doesn't go anywhere. If you want to believe it and talk about it all the time, be my quest. Just don't expect me or others to follow. We're not blind, closed minded, illogical or irrational because we don't want to hear about it anymore. In fact I think it's a sensible thing to do, it's your personal belief not mine. Your religion, you believe it.
It's your belief. You can believe it and call it 'truth' all you want. We don't have to. And it's no more 'true' than pixies or tooth fairies until you can demonstrate otherwise.
All the "keep questioning" shit is probably in the hopes of me converting. Which is impossible. I will never convert, not until there is hard evidence. If evidence is impossible then conversion is also impossible.
I'm sticking with the "If you claim without evidence, it can be dismissed without evidence".
Religion is a load of bollocks and I don't wan't to hear anymore about it. Now lets focus on living our lives. 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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