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The Dwindling Power of a College Degree
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The Dwindling Power of a College Degree
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/magazi...gewanted=2

The 2012 presidential election can be seen as offering a choice between two visions of how to return us to this country’s golden age — from roughly 1945 to around 1973 — when working life was most secure for many Americans, particularly white, middle-class men. President Obama said his jobs plan was for people who believed “if you worked hard and played by the rules, you would be rewarded.” Mitt Romney explained his goal was to restore hope for “folks who grew up believing that if they played by the rules . . . they would have the chance to build a good life.” But these days, many workers have lost a near guarantee on a decent wage and benefits — and their careers are likely to have much more volatility (great years; bad years; confusing, mediocre years) than their parents’ ever did. So when did the rules change?

It has been hard to keep track. Over the past four decades, we have experienced the oil embargo, Carter-era malaise and a few recessions. Mixed in were the thrills of the late 1990s and mid-aughts, when it seemed as if you were a sap if you weren’t getting rich or at least trying. But these dramas prevented many of us from realizing that the economic logic was changing fundamentally. Starting in the 1970s, labor was upended by a lot more than just formal government work rules. Increased global trade devastated workers in many industries, especially textiles, apparel, toys, furniture and electronics assembly. Computers and other technological innovations had an arguably greater impact. While factories continue to make more stuff in the United States than ever before, employment in them has collapsed.

Computers have hurt workers outside factories too. Picture the advertising agency in “Mad Men,” and think about the abundance of people who were hired to do jobs that are now handled electronically by small machines. Countless secretaries were replaced by word processing, voice mail, e-mail and scheduling software; accounting staff by Excel; people in the art department by desktop design programs. This is also true of trades like plumbing and carpentry, in which new technologies replaced a bunch of people who most likely stood around helping measure things and making sure everything worked correctly.

As a result, the people whose jobs remained valuable in that “Mad Men” office were then freed up to do more valuable things. A talented art director could produce more work more quickly with InDesign. A bright accountant could spend more time thinking of new ways to make and save money, rather than spending endless hours punching numbers into an adding machine. Global trade works much the same way. It’s horrible news for a textile factory worker in North Carolina, but it may be great for a fashion designer in New York.

A general guideline these days is that people are rewarded when they can do things that take trained judgment and skill — things, in other words, that can’t be done by computers or lower-wage workers in other countries. Money now flows around the world so quickly, and technology changes so fast, that people who thought they were in high demand find themselves uprooted. Many newspaper reporters have learned that their work was subsidized, in part, by classified ads and now can’t survive the rise of Craigslist; computer programmers have found out that some smart young guys in India will do their jobs for much less. Meanwhile, China lends so much money to the United States that mortgage brokers and bond traders can become richer than they ever imagined for a few years and then, just as quickly, become broke and unemployed.

One of the greatest changes is that a college degree is no longer the guarantor of a middle-class existence. Until the early 1970s, less than 11 percent of the adult population graduated from college, and most of them could get a decent job. Today nearly a third have college degrees, and a higher percentage of them graduated from nonelite schools. A bachelor’s degree on its own no longer conveys intelligence and capability. To get a good job, you have to have some special skill — charm, by the way, counts — that employers value. But there’s also a pretty good chance that by some point in the next few years, your boss will find that some new technology or some worker overseas can replace you.

Though it’s no guarantee, a B.A. or some kind of technical training is at least a prerequisite for a decent salary. It’s hard to see any great future for high-school dropouts or high-school graduates with no technical skills. They most often get jobs that require little judgment and minimal training, like stocking shelves, cooking burgers and cleaning offices. Employers generally see these unskilled workers as commodities — one is as good as any other — and thus each worker has very little bargaining power, especially now that unions are weaker. There are about 40 million of these low-skilled people in our work force. They’re vying for jobs that are likely to earn near the minimum wage with few or no benefits, and they have a high chance of being laid off many times in a career.

Global trade and technology are significant trends, but they’re not laws and policies. The actual rules have also changed notably since the 1970s. Back then, there were all sorts of stabilizers that pushed working-class wages up and kept rich people’s wages lower. The minimum wage, at its pre-1970s peak, was almost 50 percent higher than it is now (inflation adjusted, naturally). Unions were stronger and had more government support. The United States taxed the rich much higher relative to the working class. (The top bracket was taxed at 70 percent in 1978; now it’s 35 percent.) It’s hard to imagine, but regulations largely limited the profitability of banks and kept bankers’ financial compensation low.

The new rules, combined with the other major changes, have effectively removed both the floor and the ceiling. It’s easier for some to make a lot more money and for others to fall much further behind. That has meant a huge increase in inequality. The top 1 percent of families now makes 26 times the average of the other 99 percent (the ratio was 11 to 1 in 1979). The top 0.1 percent makes 130 times the bottom 99 (up from a 38-to-1 ratio 40 years ago). And the inequality is not just between classes. The average wages of the average American have stayed largely flat for decades, but those averages hide a lot of volatility, as more people find themselves at the extremes of wealth or poverty. A successful plumber who has mastered all the new water-flow sensor technology and pipe-fitting innovations (and is probably in a union) can make more than $100,000 a year, while other plumbers, who just know the basics, could make less than $20,000.

The increasingly vicious battle between left and right is, at the most basic level, a dispute over how to respond to these new rules. Republicans largely claim that the new rules will make the country richer and, in the long run, will be beneficial to everyone willing to put in the hard work. Few Democrats call for a return to record high taxes and trade barriers — after all, the free flow of cheap goods has helped many, particularly the poor. But many do want a return to the spirit of the old rules, when the government sought to make life more equal, more stable and, for some, less rewarding. The rest of us, meanwhile, should go to school, learn some skills and prepare for a rocky road.
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"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "

- Dr. Donald Prothero
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RE: The Dwindling Power of a College Degree
My mother's got an masters in english lit and education. She's a taxi driver, makes more money. Being a taxi driver requires a drivers license. My wife has a BA in business finance, she's a receptionist. I never completed college but an hour of my time is worth more than an hour of both of theirs combined, apparently.
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RE: The Dwindling Power of a College Degree
Before I became disabled, I made pretty good money with my geology degree. Still, my step-brother works for Ford, and makes almost twice what I made.
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens

"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".

- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "

- Dr. Donald Prothero
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RE: The Dwindling Power of a College Degree
I was originally going to do English at University, but I didn't get a place on the course at the university I wanted to go to, so I took a year out, and decided to instead apply for Computer Science, and now I'm doing an MSc in Information Security. Now none of my university friends who did English have jobs, and most (if not all) of my fellow Computer Science students do. A lot of it boils down to the choice of degree you do, and whether there are any jobs out there for the graduates. English is quite a popular course, but there aren't many jobs going for the graduates, so lots are left behind. Computer Science on the other hand is very undersubscribed, yet the job market is huge.
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RE: The Dwindling Power of a College Degree
Perhaps American colleges should be fewer in number, its selection process more rigorous, and the distribution of subsidy to students in the form of grants, tuition assistance and scholarships be carefully realigned so that they more closely match the likelihood that the recipent could use his education in a gainful employment.

Equal tax support for legions of english and psychology majors who goes on to employments which benefits almost not at all from their supposedly higher education is probably a seriously suboptimal allocation of resources.
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We're not exactly full up on teachers here in the states. It's an issue of money for my mother, and the garbage job market for my wife. I essentially make money because I'm familiar with a system that allows a certain group of people to absolute rake another certain group of people over the coals for their fetish food. None of it makes much sense to me, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The Dwindling Power of a College Degree
I am currently studying on a Bsc Ethical Hacking course, but I can't see myself in that line of work in the future...

As I am self taught in almost all of the subjects that I love, I did't have the official qualifications to get into a course that I actually wanted to do... Formal education means fuck all to me.
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RE: The Dwindling Power of a College Degree
I think a lot of those people just get those English and Liberal arts degrees are just getting those for the sake of getting a degree. As a recent graduate, college is pretty fucked.
Get a degree, graduate from college, get a good job blah blah I'm tired of the rhetoric.

Now if college was free I think a lot of people would choose different paths, and go on to graduate school. Which creates more intelligent citizens, which is exactly what the US needs.

College shouldn't be about securing some job, it should be a learning experience. To create smart, critical thinking people to lead the country.
But it has turned into a business, somethings should not be run like a business, college being one of them. You want to pump out quality students, not quantity of degrees.

Or you have these "christian" schools who offer garbage degrees, and suck your wallets dry. Cause I wondered how some of these fucktards in control of the country got their degrees, turned out a lot went to christian schools.
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RE: The Dwindling Power of a College Degree
I agree, paintpooper - or business degrees. I waited some years before going back to school for horticulture. If high schools concentrated more on finding out what truly interested a person and prepping them for that, we'd have a better system I think. Then again, no one spoke more than a chapter about botany in high school. Dodgy
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Quote:A lot of it boils down to the choice of degree you do,

Here we agree, Adrian. The downside is that information is growing at such a rate that any degree one chooses risks being obsolete in short order. Still, without a degree it is almost impossible to attract any interest at all.

I was just watching an interview with the CEO of Siemens ( some greedy corporate fuck...you'd love him) who was maintaining that his company is having trouble recruiting skilled workers even for their manufacturing plants. IOW, while there are millions of unemployed manufacturing workers their skills from an automotive assembly line or whatever are of literally no value to a high tech company. How does one re-train an entire workforce? And, as you said, what the hell do we do with the ones who did take English? Or psychology? Or whatever?
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