(July 19, 2015 at 12:30 pm)Nope Wrote:

(July 19, 2015 at 12:27 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Inability to do contradictory things is not evidence of impotence.

1 Corinthians 14

33for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

What you wrote contradicts the bible

How so?

(July 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Right. Because you refuse to accept God's will. God sends His own son to die on a cross so that you might not perish but have eternal life.

You're still dangling the wrong carrot...and I've told you that more than once just in this thread.  I'm not interested in eternal life if the price of entry is torturing some poor schmuck and then nailing him to a post.  It's as simple as that. Take back however many nanoseconds of scapegoating it took to absolve me, give me back all of my responsibility, send me to hell...whatever.....I won't be a party to what you and yours have done to christ - or anyone...period. Understand?

Quote:But you don't like that idea. You prefer your own.

Yes, I prefer my own, as god apparently prefers his own...and?

Quote:Your argument runs sort of like this:

1. If I were God, I would have done things very differently.
2. If God exists, He must agree with me.
3. Things aren't the way I would have done them.
4. Therefore, God does not exist.

No, jackass...my argument goes like this...

If this crucifixion business were true, then I couldn't, in good conscience, be a christian.

-as I've stated many, many times.  Your inability to address my remarks, and your insistence upon straw manning me are pushing me further from christ. It has nothing to do with whether or not a god exists.

Quote:But in reality, it runs like this:

1. If Rhythm were God, he would have done things differently.
2. Things aren't different.
3. Therefore, Rhythm isn't God.

No, I'm not......and since I never claimed to be god, nor would I desire the job or title.....you're starting to come off like a loon.  Have this conversation of yours with whomever you like, but don't pretend that I've been participating in it. You're arguing with yourself, not me. If you don't have an argument to overcome my objection, if you are simply -incapable-, just own up to it. Why is that so difficult for you to do, and why has your religion turned you into a habitual liar -in addition- to a scapegoater, or did you do all of that on your own? Is any of this supposed to incentivize me? Are you not willing to demonstrate the courage of the convictions you've claimed to hold?

I'm not arguing with you, here, over the existence of a god, either you accept that and move forward, or you don't...and show yourself to be -exactly- what I've claimed you are...a liar for christ. Your call, douche.

(July 19, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Remember, the one who owns the window is God, and He alone determines what satisfies His own view of justice.

Oh I get it now. What someone does to me doesn't matter because it is only important if it pisses God off. Naturally God is the only one that matters when it comes to forgiving the transgression.

Fuck your stupid God! I would skull fuck the bastard if he was real.

luka Wrote:If there are any Christians perusing the forum I would like to ask you a question. I've been an atheist for about 4 years now and only one question still troubles me about Jesus.

What does 4 years have to do with this, shouldn't everything be settled before you become an atheist.

luka Wrote:Why does it matter if he was tortured and crucified?

The torture showed the cruelty of mankind towards his fellow man and that a Savior was needed. Also there was the fulfillment of the OT prophecies, they (prophecies) were there to show the people that Jesus was the Messiah. A blood sacrifice had to be given for man's sin, Adam and Eve brought this into existence when they disobeyed God. God had to kill two animals to cloth them, thus blood was spilled for sin. No animal was perfect after the fall, so animals were continually being kill to cover man's sin. God sent Christ to live the perfect life and so there could be a once and for all sacrifice for all sin, God was tired of the way His people (the Jews) were doing things and it was time for the Messiah to come and bring a final defeat to sin through His own perfect sacrifice. Christ was sacrificed at the hands of man because the sacrifice was for man.

   

luka Wrote:If he was a godly being, with dominion over nature and the entire universe, surely he would have the ability to not feel pain. How would pain even be scaled to a supreme being?

Christ was a man, He came to live as a man and die as a man, the perfect man, this would include the pain, excluding the pain would have given people who reject Him something to complain about, but then I guess that some people will complain no matter what. When Christ left His heavenly home, He gave up all His power and glory, all the miracles Jesus did was powered by the Father, this is made apparent throughout the Gospels.

luka Wrote:Furthermore, I don't understand why an eternal, omniscient being would decide that he would need to put himself through a few days of pain in order to save his creation from their sin.

A few days, a few years, a few decades, 4000 years of pain God had put up with, each hour of every day of those 4000 years God went through the pain of sin, sin that was against Him from His creation. The pain of torture, and death was a representation of all the pain God went through in those 4000 years. It was the shedding of Jesus blood that brought the cleansing power to man, not the pain. The death and resurrection were the hope given to us for eternal life.

luka Wrote:Even if he did suffer horrendous pain, it still would prove nothing. It wouldn't prove he was honorable, trustworthy, or that any of his teachings were correct.

Who said the pain proved He was any of that, it was the total of what He did that proves that, you have to remember Jesus gave up everything He had in His heavenly place to become a human being. To give you a sample, He was questioned and plotted against by the very priest who ought to be worshiping Him and serving Him.

luka Wrote:While sacrificing yourself for something greater than yourself is honorable, it doesn't absolve others of their sins. It also doesn't count as a sacrificial act if Jesus rose from the dead and took his seat as the ruler of the universe again.

 Christ was and is greater than the people He was sacrificed for, all of us, everyone. That's exactly why His sacrifice was able to atone for every sin ever committed.
Why, why doesn't it count, because you say so, who are you to judge what your God did for you. Please explain yourself? As I said before Christ's death and resurrection was to prove God could and would raise His faithful to eternal life, just as He did His Son. If the resurrection had not happened then how were we to believe God would raise us into eternal life when He did not raise His Son to eternal life. As the NT says, Jesus was the first raised into eternal life, the first of a great number.
 

luka Wrote:The crucifixion doesn't matter.

Yes it does, absolutely, your argument has failed on many levels, you have presented assumptions, assumptions of an unbeliever, what makes you think you can understand what Christ did, not one Christian has ever understood it until they gave their lives to Christ and then we learn daily what it has meant to each of us personally.

GC

(July 19, 2015 at 2:47 pm)KUSA Wrote:

(July 19, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Remember, the one who owns the window is God, and He alone determines what satisfies His own view of justice.

Oh I get it now. What someone does to me doesn't matter because it is only important if it pisses God off. Naturally God is the only one that matters when it comes to forgiving the transgression.

Fuck your stupid God! I would skull fuck the bastard if he was real.

Your a brave man standing in the dark and saying that, come out into the light and try it.

GC

(July 19, 2015 at 2:47 pm)KUSA Wrote:

(July 19, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Remember, the one who owns the window is God, and He alone determines what satisfies His own view of justice.

Oh I get it now. What someone does to me doesn't matter because it is only important if it pisses God off. Naturally God is the only one that matters when it comes to forgiving the transgression.

Fuck your stupid God! I would skull fuck the bastard if he was real.

I can't be the only one who read this in R. Lee Ermey's voice:

(July 20, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 19, 2015 at 2:47 pm)KUSA Wrote: Oh I get it now. What someone does to me doesn't matter because it is only important if it pisses God off. Naturally God is the only one that matters when it comes to forgiving the transgression.

Fuck your stupid God! I would skull fuck the bastard if he was real.

Your a brave man standing in the dark and saying that, come out into the light and try it.

GC

Who are you, Yoda?  What is this dark you speak of?

I would publicly make this statement wherever you want.

(July 20, 2015 at 10:59 pm)Spooky Wrote:

(July 20, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: Your a brave man standing in the dark and saying that, come out into the light and try it.

GC

Who are you, Yoda?  What is this dark you speak of?

I would publicly make this statement wherever you want.

Nah, Yoda was a wise old codger.

GC... not so much...

(July 20, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 19, 2015 at 2:47 pm)KUSA Wrote: Oh I get it now. What someone does to me doesn't matter because it is only important if it pisses God off. Naturally God is the only one that matters when it comes to forgiving the transgression.

Fuck your stupid God! I would skull fuck the bastard if he was real.

Your a brave man standing in the dark and saying that, come out into the light and try it.

GC

I would skull fuck your pathetic God at high noon on the beach.

I would make you dumb God lick my sweaty balls.

Skullfucking aside. What exactly do you mean by "Come out into the light"?