(August 3, 2015 at 9:26 am)Nope Wrote:

(August 3, 2015 at 9:20 am)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, I made a whole thread asking the exact question some time ago and got pretty much no answer. "You'll be sorry otherwise" seems to be about it. It's clearly a human in a god's clothes if it has anything to gain by people worshipping it.

I think that it would be an interesting to find out why people feel the need to worship a god but I don't think that theists can have that discussion. If they start examining why they need a god then they might discover that they really don't need religion after all.

The Bible tells why people worship "gods".

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=CEB
Wisdom 14:15-21 (CEB) = 15 Imagine a father overcome with grief at the untimely death of his child. In his grief, he makes an image of the child. The person who was once a corpse he now honors as a god. He passes it on to those under his authority, along with certain mysteries and special ceremonies. 16 As time goes by, his godless custom becomes tradition. Eventually, his custom becomes law, and rulers order the people to worship these carved images.
17 These rulers, moreover, lived far away from most of their subjects. So because the people couldn’t pay their respects in person, they imagined what the ruler looked like and made an image of their honored leader. By their diligent efforts, they were thus still able to shower the king with their flattery. 18 But the artist’s desire to be recognized for his work also incited the fools to an ever greater intensity of worship. 19 Perhaps out of a desire to please the person in power, the artist makes the most of his artistic skill to fashion an even more beautiful and perfect image. 20 The masses, charmed by the object’s workmanship, now begin to consider the object worthy of their worship, where not long before they had only honored the person as a human being.
21 In this way idolatry becomes a trap for one’s life. Whether it is because of a father’s misfortune or because people are ordered to do so, stones and plants begin to be called by the name that was never supposed to be shared with anything or anyone else.

(August 4, 2015 at 9:44 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 3, 2015 at 3:08 am)Shuffle Wrote: This is the fourth thread in which I ask theists very simple questions that deserve very simple answers. The last one was How Does It Feel? This thread is only for Christians to answer, because these questions are more relevant for them.

The questions I propose to you are:

1. Is God good?
   
2. Why?
   
3. Do you base your opinion more on the Old Testament or the New?
   
4. Why?
   
5. Is there any bible verse that might remotely contradict your answer for question #1?
   
6. Why might I disagree with you?
   

Thanks!

1 He ultimately punishes the wicked and rewards the faithful
2 It is in His nature to do so.
3 New
4 Because I am not an Old Testament Jew. Remember the bible represents two completely different religions geared towards one God. Christians follow the NT.
5 no
6 just to be disagreeable.

Your welcome, this was easy and fun what else you got?

At least, you answered the questions without claiming persecution.

(August 4, 2015 at 4:12 pm)Shuffle Wrote: 4 Load of BS. Jesus said that he came not to destroy the law of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Ooo, How did I miss this little jem..

What makes you think that following NT Christianity rather than OT Judaism destroys the law in ANY way shape or form?

Again Christ came to complete the law. That mean all of it, not just keep the thou shalt and the thou shalt not but to also make perminate atonement for 'law breakers/Christians.'

IF the law was to remain as the only way to obtain the righteousness needed Then why did Jesus die on the cross? IF your understanding of what it is meant to keep the Whole Law was true then why the changes in OT Judaism and NT Christianity?
(Eating unclean foods for example???) Why the 'pouring out of God the Holy Spirit' on ALL Believers rather than prophets and priests as in the OT?

It would seem your understanding of the term 'I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it" is lacking the exegetical authority needed to explain the sudden paradigm shift in the NT that separated OT Judaism from NT Christianity.

Quote:5 So the verse above doesn't?

Nuupe, what else you got?

Quote:6 Not even close. I disagree because I don't like the killing of around 24,634,205 people. I got that estimate from The Church Of Truth. Infanticide, genocide, rape, incest, crimes against humanity, promotion of slavery, and the list goes on and on and on.

That not true is it?

You do support a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy correct? Despite whether you have turned you mind over to the pro baby killing propaganda or not, no one can argue the fact if a pregnancy goes to term a human being will emerge.

So the question then becomes how many human being have you supported being murdered for the sake of a philosophy/'the right to choose?'
1.3 Billion since 1980 sport. That's a Billion with a Big "B"

Just This year (8 months in) Your philosophy has killed as many people as you claim God has killed in a 6 thousand year period!
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
What kind of hypocrite turns a blind eye to that?

(August 6, 2015 at 5:32 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 4, 2015 at 4:12 pm)Shuffle Wrote: 4 Load of BS. Jesus said that he came not to destroy the law of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Ooo, How did I miss this little jem..

What makes you think that following NT Christianity rather than OT Judaism destroys the law in ANY way shape or form?

Again Christ came to complete the law. That mean all of it, not just keep the thou shalt and the thou shalt not but to also make perminate atonement for 'law breakers/Christians.'

IF the law was to remain as the only way to obtain the righteousness needed Then why did Jesus die on the cross? IF your understanding of what it is meant to keep the Whole Law was true then why the changes in OT Judaism and NT Christianity?
(Eating unclean foods for example???) Why the 'pouring out of God the Holy Spirit' on ALL Believers rather than prophets and priests as in the OT?

It would seem your understanding of the term 'I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it" is lacking the exegetical authority needed to explain the sudden paradigm shift in the NT that separated OT Judaism from NT Christianity.

Quote:5 So the verse above doesn't?

Nuupe, what else you got?

Quote:6 Not even close. I disagree because I don't like the killing of around 24,634,205 people. I got that estimate from The Church Of Truth. Infanticide, genocide, rape, incest, crimes against humanity, promotion of slavery, and the list goes on and on and on.

That not true is it?

You do support a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy correct? Despite whether you have turned you mind over to the pro baby killing propaganda or not, no one can argue the fact if a pregnancy goes to term a human being will emerge.

So the question then becomes how many human being have you supported being murdered for the sake of a philosophy/'the right to choose?'
1.3 Billion since 1980 sport. That's a Billion with a Big "B"

Just This year (8 months in) Your philosophy has killed as many people as you claim God has killed in a 6 thousand year period!
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
What kind of hypocrite turns a blind eye to that?

Soulless butchers that hide behind euphemisms.

(August 7, 2015 at 12:21 am)ChadWooters Wrote:

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(August 6, 2015 at 5:32 pm)Drich Wrote: Ooo, How did I miss this little jem..

What makes you think that following NT Christianity rather than OT Judaism destroys the law in ANY way shape or form?

Again Christ came to complete the law. That mean all of it, not just keep the thou shalt and the thou shalt not but to also make perminate atonement for 'law breakers/Christians.'

IF the law was to remain as the only way to obtain the righteousness needed Then why did Jesus die on the cross? IF your understanding of what it is meant to keep the Whole Law was true then why the changes in OT Judaism and NT Christianity?
(Eating unclean foods for example???) Why the 'pouring out of God the Holy Spirit' on ALL Believers rather than prophets and priests as in the OT?

It would seem your understanding of the term 'I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it" is lacking the exegetical authority needed to explain the sudden paradigm shift in the NT that separated OT Judaism from NT Christianity.

Nuupe, what else you got?



That not true is it?

You do support a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy correct? Despite whether you have turned you mind over to the pro baby killing propaganda or not, no one can argue the fact if a pregnancy goes to term a human being will emerge.

So the question then becomes how many human being have you supported being murdered for the sake of a philosophy/'the right to choose?'
1.3 Billion since 1980 sport. That's a Billion with a Big "B"

Just This year (8 months in) Your philosophy has killed as many people as you claim God has killed in a 6 thousand year period!
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
What kind of hypocrite turns a blind eye to that?

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Quote:Soulless butchers that hide behind euphemisms.

So every sex act has to result in a living baby that no one wants.

(August 3, 2015 at 3:08 am)Shuffle Wrote: This is the fourth thread in which I ask theists very simple questions that deserve very simple answers. The last one was How Does It Feel? This thread is only for Christians to answer, because these questions are more relevant for them.

The questions I propose to you are:

1. Is God good?
   
   
2. Why?
   
   
3. Do you base your opinion more on the Old Testament or the New?
   
   
4. Why?
   
   
5. Is there any bible verse that might remotely contradict your answer for question #1?
   
   
6. Why might I disagree with you?
   
   

Thanks!

1. Yes.
2. He created me, saved me from sins, gave me temporal blessings, and promises of eternal blessings.
3-4. I don't know, it's not like I've kept track over the years.
5-6. Yes, possibly because you disagree with me regarding the rights of a creator over his creation.

(August 4, 2015 at 10:00 pm)Nope Wrote:

(August 4, 2015 at 9:44 am)Drich Wrote: 1 He ultimately punishes the wicked and rewards the faithful
2 It is in His nature to do so.
3 New
4 Because I am not an Old Testament Jew. Remember the bible represents two completely different religions geared towards one God. Christians follow the NT.
5 no
6 just to be disagreeable.

Your welcome, this was easy and fun what else you got?

At least, you answered the questions without claiming persecution.

one is only put in a position of persecution if they are in a position where they can not respond. Some doctrines do that, which leaves some in a position to feel persecution. However if you stick to what the bible says, God will provide the answers.

(August 7, 2015 at 1:34 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(August 7, 2015 at 12:21 am)ChadWooters Wrote: [hide]

So every sex act has to result in a living baby that no one wants.

how did you get from literally killing live babies, to every sex act must produce a baby?

(August 7, 2015 at 9:30 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 7, 2015 at 1:34 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: So every sex act has to result in a living baby that no one wants.

how did you get from literally killing live babies, to every sex act must produce a baby?

Well, it seems that busybodies want to own every fetus but once the baby is born they don't give a damn about it.  Their primary objective is to make everyone miserable.  So they seek to impose their BS beliefs on everyone else.  The world would be better off if they were also aborted because they (the busybodies) add nothing of value to humanity.

(August 6, 2015 at 5:32 pm)Drich Wrote: What makes you think that following NT Christianity rather than OT Judaism destroys the law in ANY way shape or form?
Again Christ came to complete the law. That mean all of it, not just keep the thou shalt and the thou shalt not but to also make permanent atonement for 'law breakers/Christians.'
IF the law was to remain as the only way to obtain the righteousness needed Then why did Jesus die on the cross? IF your understanding of what it is meant to keep the Whole Law was true then why the changes in OT Judaism and NT Christianity?
(Eating unclean foods for example???) Why the 'pouring out of God the Holy Spirit' on ALL Believers rather than prophets and priests as in the OT?
It would seem your understanding of the term 'I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it" is lacking the exegetical authority needed to explain the sudden paradigm shift in the NT that separated OT Judaism from NT Christianity.

Quote:6 Not even close. I disagree because I don't like the killing of around 24,634,205 people. I got that estimate from The Church Of Truth. Infanticide, genocide, rape, incest, crimes against humanity, promotion of slavery, and the list goes on and on and on.

That not true is it?
You do support a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy correct? Despite whether you have turned you mind over to the pro baby killing propaganda or not, no one can argue the fact if a pregnancy goes to term a human being will emerge.
So the question then becomes how many human being have you supported being murdered for the sake of a philosophy/'the right to choose?'
1.3 Billion since 1980 sport. That's a Billion with a Big "B"
Just This year (8 months in) Your philosophy has killed as many people as you claim God has killed in a 6 thousand year period!
What kind of hypocrite turns a blind eye to that?

Let me try this another way. Is the god that was written about in the old testament the same god that fathered Jesus?

They are not babies, human beings, or alive. They are a clump of cells completely unrecognizable to be anything known animal. And I love that you take offense with abortions when there are several times in the Bible where God orders all infants and unborn children to be destroyed. How hypocritical is that?