Why Would You Worship?

[Drich]

What makes you think that following NT Christianity rather than OT Judaism destroys the law in ANY way shape or form?
Again Christ came to complete the law. That mean all of it, not just keep the thou shalt and the thou shalt not but to also make permanent atonement for 'law breakers/Christians.'
IF the law was to remain as the only way to obtain the righteousness needed Then why did Jesus die on the cross? IF your understanding of what it is meant to keep the Whole Law was true then why the changes in OT Judaism and NT Christianity?
(Eating unclean foods for example???) Why the 'pouring out of God the Holy Spirit' on ALL Believers rather than prophets and priests as in the OT?
It would seem your understanding of the term 'I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it" is lacking the exegetical authority needed to explain the sudden paradigm shift in the NT that separated OT Judaism from NT Christianity.
That not true is it?
You do support a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy correct? Despite whether you have turned you mind over to the pro baby killing propaganda or not, no one can argue the fact if a pregnancy goes to term a human being will emerge.
So the question then becomes how many human being have you supported being murdered for the sake of a philosophy/'the right to choose?'
1.3 Billion since 1980 sport. That's a Billion with a Big "B"
Just This year (8 months in) Your philosophy has killed as many people as you claim God has killed in a 6 thousand year period!
What kind of hypocrite turns a blind eye to that?

Let me try this another way. Is the god that was written about in the old testament the same god that fathered Jesus?

They are not babies, human beings, or alive. They are a clump of cells completely unrecognizable to be anything known animal. And I love that you take offense with abortions when there are several times in the Bible where God orders all infants and unborn children to be destroyed. How hypocritical is that?

"Let's try it another way" He says...

Why would I want to do that? Your on your heels, why would I want to give you an opportunity to reset your argument and try to come at me from a tacticly advantageous position? So no, you gave it your best shot, got caught looking like a HUGE hypocrite, you need to go back line by line and answer the counter points I brought up. (which btw does indeed answer your clump of cell theories.)

Oh, and then their's this:
Warning: Potentially NSFW

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozp0Tvyuyo

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There are pages of dead/aborted babies, but I guess after 1.3 billion it would be impossible to hide all the evidence.

[Shuffle]

1. Yes.
2. He created me, saved me from sins, gave me temporal blessings, and promises of eternal blessings.
3-4. I don't know, it's not like I've kept track over the years.
5-6. Yes, possibly because you disagree with me regarding the rights of a creator over his creation.

1. No.
2. Wow. That was one of the most selfish things I have ever heard. Me me me me. He gave me this. He promised me that. He did this for me. He saved me. Don't you think that your answer should take into account anything he did for anyone else?
3. Leave it to the christians to not know where their beliefs are coming from.
4. Are you implying that, because he created us, he can destroy us? That is a great argument if you create an inanimate object and then decided to destroy it, however, when it comes to killing innocent human beings or animals, it is despicable.

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You need to go back line by line and answer the counter points I brought up. (which btw does indeed answer your clump of cell theories.)

Why would I want to do that? You completely dodge my sincere questions, and completely pretended like I never said, "...I love that you take offense with abortions when there are several times in the Bible where God orders all infants and unborn children to be destroyed. How hypocritical is that?"

I refuse to answer your points before answering mine. Also, I did answer the counter points you brought up. I think we are confusing eachothers points. I am trying to say that the god that is written about in the Old Testament is the same that is written about in the New Testament. If this is true (which I don't know whether or not you agree with that) then the same god that enforced Old Testament laws and killed millions of people is the father of Jesus. I need you to answer my question to advance the conversation.

[John V]

2. Wow. That was one of the most selfish things I have ever heard. Me me me me. He gave me this. He promised me that. He did this for me. He saved me. Don't you think that your answer should take into account anything he did for anyone else?

I think I should answer as I see fit. Or are you you you telling me me me what I should do and say?

3. Leave it to the christians to not know where their beliefs are coming from.

Personally I see the entire Bible as the word of God, so it doesn't really matter to me whether a portion is in the part that men have labeled Old or New testament.

4. Are you implying that, because he created us, he can destroy us?

Yes.

That is a great argument if you create an inanimate object and then decided to destroy it, however, when it comes to killing innocent human beings or animals, it is despicable.

First, with respect to human beings, who gets to decide if they're innocent, and why?

Second, with respect to animals, go to your local grocery store and check out the meet aisle and the insecticide aisle. By your own claimed standards, people in general are despicable, because they do indeed kill innocent animals on a regular basis, and merely because they're tasty or annoying.

[Shuffle]

I think I should answer as I see fit. Or are you you you telling me me me what I should do and say?
Personally I see the entire Bible as the word of God, so it doesn't really matter to me whether a portion is in the part that men have labeled Old or New testament.

4. Are you implying that, because he created us, he can destroy us?

Yes.
First, with respect to human beings, who gets to decide if they're innocent, and why?
Second, with respect to animals, go to your local grocery store and check out the meat aisle and the insecticide aisle. By your own claimed standards, people in general are despicable, because they do indeed kill innocent animals on a regular basis, and merely because they're tasty or annoying.

You are right. You are allowed to answer as you see fit, but that doesn't mean that I can not criticize it.
So, you should have said that in your first answer!
No.
Hmmm, let's see. I have previously pointed out that god killed infants just because their parents were sinners. Are you calling those infants guilty?
What the hell is the "insecticide aisle?" You are definitely not going to the same grocery stores as I am. The people that kill the animals are despicable. So? Your argument is that of a kindergartener:

Mom: Did you steal a cookie?
Kindergartener: Yes... but Jimmy did it too!

That is a terrible argument it this context, and in that one.

[John V]

Hmmm, let's see. I have previously pointed out that god killed infants just because their parents were sinners. Are you calling those infants guilty?

I subscribe to the age of accountability doctrine, under which such infants went to heaven and were far better off than if they had remained to live here.

What the hell is the "insecticide aisle?" You are definitely not going to the same grocery stores as I am.

Regardless of the particular stores in which they're sold, the fact is that humans make lots of products just for the killing of animals. I can buy chemicals that kill ants just because they crossed a line which they can't possibly understand. So, I (and all the other people who buy such products, or eat meat, or turn lind eye to such practices) am despicable by your standards. Yet, you call us innocent.

The people that kill the animals are despicable. So?

So, your premise that we're innocent is shown to be wrong by your own standards.

[Drich]

1. Yes.
2. He created me, saved me from sins, gave me temporal blessings, and promises of eternal blessings.
3-4. I don't know, it's not like I've kept track over the years.
5-6. Yes, possibly because you disagree with me regarding the rights of a creator over his creation.

1. No.
2. Wow. That was one of the most selfish things I have ever heard. Me me me me. He gave me this. He promised me that. He did this for me. He saved me. Don't you think that your answer should take into account anything he did for anyone else?
3. Leave it to the christians to not know where their beliefs are coming from.
4. Are you implying that, because he created us, he can destroy us? That is a great argument if you create an inanimate object and then decided to destroy it, however, when it comes to killing innocent human beings or animals, it is despicable.

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You need to go back line by line and answer the counter points I brought up. (which btw does indeed answer your clump of cell theories.)

Why would I want to do that? You completely dodge my sincere questions, and completely pretended like I never said, "...I love that you take offense with abortions when there are several times in the Bible where God orders all infants and unborn children to be destroyed. How hypocritical is that?"

I refuse to answer your points before answering mine. Also, I did answer the counter points you brought up. I think we are confusing eachothers points. I am trying to say that the god that is written about in the Old Testament is the same that is written about in the New Testament. If this is true (which I don't know whether or not you agree with that) then the same god that enforced Old Testament laws and killed millions of people is the father of Jesus. I need you to answer my question to advance the conversation.

[Drich]

I don't know what happened to my response.

To answer your question, I do not see hypocrisy when God orders a death. Why? Because the sin/crime is not in the taking of human life. The act of taking a human life in of itself has no intrinsic value in of itself. What make killing murder is the unauthorized taking of a human life. The sin is disobedience to God, not in the taking of a life. Life is only sacred because God said it was.

Your turn sport now answer my questions

[Pyrrho]

Hmmm, let's see. I have previously pointed out that god killed infants just because their parents were sinners. Are you calling those infants guilty?

I subscribe to the age of accountability doctrine, under which such infants went to heaven and were far better off than if they had remained to live here.
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In that case, do you go around killing young children? If they go to heaven that way, wouldn't you be doing them all a favor by killing them? And doesn't that mean that everyone who does not kill their young children is evil, because they are then risking their children's immortal souls by allowing them to grow up and be judged?

[Shuffle]

I subscribe to the age of accountability doctrine, under which such infants went to heaven and were far better off than if they had remained to live here.

Regardless of the particular stores in which they're sold, the fact is that humans make lots of products just for the killing of animals. I can buy chemicals that kill ants just because they crossed a line which they can't possibly understand. So, I (and all the other people who buy such products, or eat meat, or turn blind eye to such practices) am despicable by your standards. Yet, you call us innocent. 

So, your premise that we're innocent is shown to be wrong by your own standards.

Oh, ok. I guess killing babies is ok now! Ironic that we are called baby eaters, don't you think
I never called them innocent. I love the strawman though. In my last post I called them guilty, but I guess you just tuned it out.   

I am so annoyed with theists dodging my questions on here. It is so frustrating. The point I made in my last post was that, just because humans do something bad, doesn't make what god did any better.

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To answer your question, I do not see hypocrisy when God orders a death. Why? Because the sin/crime is not in the taking of human life. The act of taking a human life in of itself has no intrinsic value in of itself. What make killing murder is the unauthorized taking of a human life. The sin is disobedience to God, not in the taking of a life. Life is only sacred because God said it was.

My god orders me to murder all christians and abort all babies. But it is ok, because he is god. Sooooooo... yeah

Can you list all of your questions like I did, because I looked back into all of your previous posts and can't find any that were not answered.

[Nay_Sayer]

FSM has given me special knowledge, my afterlife will be filled with doughnuts, strippers, a mansion, wide screen TV's and a beer volcano.