(August 10, 2015 at 2:01 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:

(August 10, 2015 at 1:53 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Hitler was a christian and the RCC fully supported him. This counters your assertion that the third Reich was set on atheism. Who you believe to be a real christian ™ is irrelevant.

A quote from one of Hitler's speeches in 1922:



Citation, please.

I disagree.  Hitler was a masterful politician that used Christianity and the church to further his purposes.  I HATE citing wikipedia, but this article has a great deal of credible citations of historians on the life of Hitler and his true views.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_...olf_Hitler

The thing about wiki is it's structure. at the bottom of every page is the source material. while the pages themselves can be slanted to favor the authors views the facts remain facts, and can be verified. most of the references are links to explorable books or articals you can access on line. So even if a particular page is slanted it can be used to benfit your argument if you are not afraid of a little reading.

(August 10, 2015 at 3:37 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Kingpin, that's utter bullshit they fed you. http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlern...rJesus.htm
This second link provides many quotes from mein kempf showing that he was a ardent follower of Jesus through a protestant denomination and often was involved social activity with Christian groups.

Hitler himself says in Mein Kampf that his public statements should be understood as propaganda that bears no relation to the truth but is designed to sway the masses.

The Nazi idea of an Aryan Christ who uses the sword to cleanse the earth of the Jews was obviously a radical departure from the traditional Christian understanding and was condemned as such by Pope Pius XI at the time. Moreover, Hitler's anti-Semitism was not religious, it was racial.

In his multi-volume history of the Third Reich, historian Richard Evans writes that "the Nazis regarded the churches as the strongest and toughest reservoirs of ideological opposition to the principles they believed in." Once Hitler and the Nazis came to power, they launched a ruthless drive to subdue and weaken the Christian churches in Germany."

Even Christopher Hitchens, who was well versed in Christian atrocities, refers to Hitler as a pagan polytheist.  This is of course to push him in to the religious camp, but my point is I don't see how it can be labeled as Christian.  Just because something is done in the name of something, does not mean that it is.  

I would bring up Hitler's Table Talk but that seems to have as much scrutiny around it as The Bible.  In that, Hitler seems VERY anti-Christian and VERY anti-religious, but people attacking the source and translations etc of that text.

(August 10, 2015 at 11:56 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(August 10, 2015 at 11:29 am)Drich Wrote: Their were several factors:

First a trip to Hell:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html
Then a prayer to do whatever it took: post 135
http://atheistforums.org/thread-11671-page-14.html
Then direction:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
Then I went to work for several years (their is a post that details everything for the last 20 years, but I can't find it)

Then my comments about cancer here. Then there are several posts in the announcement/departing thread about my cancer scare.

Why is all the ups and down so nessary?

Because it is with the Ups we are tested in faithness and our pride in tested, and with the downs our beliefs are corrected and we learn and grow For God. Wisdom and insight is obtained.

to Not pray for the bad is to rob believers of the easiest way to truly know who God is and what God wants. It also forces out blind eyes to open and our deaf ears to hear Him.

That said the prayers is not just for the bad things but the heart and willingness to learn who God is from those things.

I would not trade my life's experiences for anything period. When it's all laid out most people could not be paid to go though what I have. Not that I want to go through those things. I like everyone else wants a easy life, I just happen to know God CAN be found in the hardships IF one Ask, Seeks, and knocks for him.

Thank you for sharing your stories, Drich. I enjoyed reading them. If they really are supernatural experiences, that is truly amazing. But even if they aren't, they still helped you find God, and that's pretty amazing too.

All these things God is willing to do for a 'doubting Drich' one whose only virtue was the he wanted to know the truth about God whatever that meant. I did not grow up in a Christian environment, but heard enough to be courious and sincere enough to honestly seek the truth no matter where it lead me.

Once I found the truth I simply remained faithful to what I had been given. God has followed suit in giving me more.

The long and short of it.. I am nothing special, nothing God has done for me is not promised to everyone else here. They just need to bend that knee and honestly A/S/K as outlined in Luke 11.

(August 9, 2015 at 9:36 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(August 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: Don't tell me what I do or don't have (what I hear from atheist all the time), I have my evidence through a personal relationship with God, it's not my fault you haven't sought out God.

GC

But I did seek out God.

You just answered a post to someone else, let them speak for their self.

GC

(August 9, 2015 at 6:55 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(August 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: Don't tell me what I do or don't have (what I hear from atheist all the time), I have my evidence through a personal relationship with God,

Either your gawd is hypothetical or that evidence you claim to have would be simple to provide. I keep asking, you keep failing.

(August 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: it's not my fault you haven't sought out God.

GC

Reading comprehension is certainly not your strong suit GC. If it were, you know from the many times I've posted it, that I fucking begged your gawd for a sign. And, just like requests for evidence from you, I got jack shit.

 Matthew 16:1-4 And the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and to test him (Jesus) they asked him to show them a sign from heaven. 2) He answered them, "When it is evening, you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.' 3) And in the morning, 'It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you can't interpret the signs of the time. 4) An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except for Jonah." Maybe you need to read the book of Jonah to find your answer.

GC

(August 10, 2015 at 5:40 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(August 9, 2015 at 9:36 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: But I did seek out God.

You just answered a post to someone else, let them speak for their self.

GC

Apologies I misclicked the quote button I didn't even intend to make it a response to you.

(July 17, 2015 at 11:23 am)Chad32 Wrote: Anyone who says their morality comes from god is also saying that if he changed his mind, what ever he said next would be right. And we know he changes some things because Jesus said some things that don't completely mesh with what's said in the old testament. If that was the case, the pharisees wouldn't have a problem with him.

Oh, not only does god change his mind about what he wants us to do, he also changes his mind about his character; is he "a vengeful god" or "a loving god"? no one knows. From time to time he doesn't know who his is; is jesus god, is jesus his own father, is he a dove (don't ask me where the holy spirit ties into all of this), who knows? He hasn't made up his mind yet. He hasn't even decided the order in which certain events happened; "genesis 1:24-25, god created animals, then humans" "genesis 2:18-19, god created humans then animals". I could go on, but lets be honest, there is no need.

(August 10, 2015 at 6:29 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(August 9, 2015 at 6:55 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Either your gawd is hypothetical or that evidence you claim to have would be simple to provide. I keep asking, you keep failing.



Reading comprehension is certainly not your strong suit GC. If it were, you know from the many times I've posted it, that I fucking begged your gawd for a sign. And, just like requests for evidence from you, I got jack shit.

 Matthew 16:1-4 And the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and to test him (Jesus) they asked him to show them a sign from heaven. 2) He answered them, "When it is evening, you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.' 3) And in the morning, 'It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you can't interpret the signs of the time. 4) An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except for Jonah." Maybe you need to read the book of Jonah to find your answer.

GC

So, you're equating Pharisees and Sadducees trying to get jeebus to do magic tricks on demand to someone honestly seeking guidance that he's on the right track and should continue? Wow!

Matt 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

I asked, I sought, I knocked. Hell, I fucking begged. You're gawd either wants me to burn or it isn't there.

(August 10, 2015 at 7:28 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(August 10, 2015 at 5:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: You just answered a post to someone else, let them speak for their self.

GC

Apologies I misclicked the quote button I didn't even intend to make it a response to you.

No need to apologize. Your answer was very much the same as mine.

(August 10, 2015 at 2:11 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Drich after all this time how can you be so clueless as to what you argue against? I never lost my faith because if storm or anything so dramatic it was simply skepticism and a lack of an ability of people like you to give hard evidence

The house in the parable of the FOOLISH builder is your faith/system of belief. The fall/failure of the house due to its lack of a proper foundation/understanding of who Christ really is, is the reason the foolish mans house failed. The storm can be any test reason or hardship that tests the faith of any man.