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Ok, so now "waffle maker" is the AF.org euphemism for the virgin Mary! I like it! So Jesus was the first waffle ever made?
That may just explain the resurrection, you know! But only if he was originally made from "self raising" flour!
Please don't laugh at my new pet theory! I get offended easy... alright!
August 11, 2015 at 7:13 am (This post was last modified: August 11, 2015 at 7:14 am by ErGingerbreadMandude.)
Imagine a scenario when there is a rainfall and then a small puddle of rainwater is formed in the ground.
Someone took this rainwater and filtered it and made a water bottle full of water called water bottle A.
Someone took water from water bottle A and filtered it again and made a water bottle called water bottle B.
Someone took water from water bottle B and filtered it again and made a water bottle called water bottle C.
(Water in the water bottle cannot be created nor destroyed it can only transferred from one form of water to another.)
Now forget that there ever was a rain.
How was the water in water bottle C formed?
From water bottle B.
How was the water in water bottle B formed?
From water bottle A.
How was the water in water bottle A formed?
From the puddle of rainwater.
How was the water in the puddle of rainwater formed?
From the rain? No. Because you don't know that there ever was a rain.So the obvious answer would be that someone created the puddle of water and water bottle A,B,C are all the work of the creator.
This is the basic principle of a God aka The Creator.
Who can tell me how the puddle of rain water was formed? (Hint: the answer is not waffles! xD)
Basically,if you can figure out how the puddle of rain was formed you've discovered how the universe was created without even realizing it.
Your analogy reminds me of the classic 5 ape experiment {below, for those who aren't familiar with it}
The Monkey Banana and Water Spray Experiment
The experiment is not real.
A vaguely similar experiment by Stephenson (1966) is often quoted as if it supports the story, but it does not. The results of that real experiment do not in any way support the "herd mentality" moral of the story; in some cases, they actively contradicts it.
This is how it is commonly told:
"The Experiment- Part 1
5 monkeys are locked in a cage, a banana was hung from the ceiling and a ladder was placed right underneath it.
As predicted, immediately, one of the monkeys would race towards the ladder, to grab the banana. However, as soon as he would start to climb, the researcher would spray the monkey with ice-cold water.
but here's the kicker- In addition, he would also spray the other four monkeys.
When a second monkey tried to climb the ladder, the researcher would, again, spray the monkey with ice-cold water, As well as the other four watching monkeys;
This was repeated again and again until they learned their lesson
Climbing equals scary cold water for EVERYONE so No One Climbs the ladder.
The Experiment- Part 2
Once the 5 monkeys knew the drill, the researcher replaced one of the monkeys with a new inexperienced one. As predicted, the new monkey spots the banana, and goes for the ladder. BUT, the other four monkeys, knowing the drill, jumped on the new monkey and beat him up. The beat up new guy thus Learns- NO going for the ladder and No Banana Period- without even knowing why! and also without ever being sprayed with water!
These actions get repeated with 3 more times, with a new monkey each time and ASTONISHINGLY each new monkey- who had never received the cold-water Spray himself (and didn't even know anything about it), would Join the beating up of the New guy.
This is a classic example of Mob Mentality- bystanders and outsiders uninvolved with the fight- join in 'just because'.
When the researcher replaced a third monkey, the same thing happened; likewise for the fourth until, eventually, all the monkeys had been replaced and none of the original ones are left in the cage (that had been sprayed by water).
The Experiment- Part 3
Again, a new monkey was introduced into the cage. It ran toward the ladder only to get beaten up by the others. The monkey turns with a curious face asking "why do you beat me up when I try to get the banana?"
The other four monkeys stopped and looked at each other puzzled (None of them had been sprayed and so they really had no clue why the new guy can't get the banana) but it didn't matter, it was too late, the rules had been set. And So, although they didn't know WHY, they beat up the monkey just because " that's the way we do things around here"
There is no evidence that that this experiment ever took place. An experiment was done in 1966 that involved pairs of monkeys but the results are irrelevant to the above story. Some of the results actually contradict the story: in some pairs, the new monkey behaved so fearlessly around the object that the first monkey learned to lose their fear of it altogether.
Haha, that is interesting! (Even as a thought experiment.)
That in turn reminds me of some programs I've seen on gang violence with Ross Kemp and such. There's two rival gangs who kill each other on sight. When asked why they do this, what the dispute is about, they have no idea. They just say that is how it's always been.
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(August 11, 2015 at 3:52 am)robvalue Wrote: First off, I'm far from convinced any of this is real. Not sure if that's relevant. Solipsism is something I can never overcome.
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I have told you before that I do not really exist. What more do you need from me? And what kind of proof do you expect from someone who does not exist?
Also, though, I have told you it does not matter at all if solipsism is true or not. Whether your hand is real or not, whether a fire is real or not, you don't want to stick your hand into the fire. Even if it is an imaginary hand and an imaginary fire. Its reality or lack thereof is of no significance.
As for the universe, it does not really matter if it is eternal or not, or whether it had a beginning or not. Your life will be the same regardless of those things.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
You are correct my good figment. Regarding this issue at least, it makes no difference whether things are real or not. And also, since I can be no more certain this isn't real than I can be certain it is, I would never take the chance of being mistaken. So I'm stuck treating it as real regardless.
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