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Thoughts on origins
#41
RE: Thoughts on origins
I made a waffle, but the waffle maker I used is still unused and in mint condition!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#42
RE: Thoughts on origins
Ok, so now "waffle maker" is the AF.org euphemism for the virgin Mary! I like it! So Jesus was the first waffle ever made?
That may just explain the resurrection, you know! But only if he was originally made from "self raising" flour!
Please don't laugh at my new pet theory! I get offended easy... alright!
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#43
RE: Thoughts on origins
Imagine a scenario when there is a rainfall and then a small puddle of rainwater is formed in the ground.
Someone took this rainwater and filtered it and made a water bottle full of water called water bottle A.
Someone took water from water bottle A and filtered it again and made a water bottle called water bottle B.
Someone took water from water bottle B and filtered it again and made a water bottle called water bottle C.
(Water in the water bottle cannot be created nor destroyed it can only transferred from one form of water to another.)
Now forget that there ever was a rain.

How was the water in water bottle C formed?
From water bottle B.
How was the water in water bottle B formed?
From water bottle A.
How was the water in water bottle A formed?
From the puddle of rainwater.
How was the water in the puddle of rainwater formed?
From the rain? No. Because you don't know that there ever was a rain.So the obvious answer would be that someone created the puddle of water and water bottle A,B,C are all the work of the creator.
This is the basic principle of a God aka The Creator.

Who can tell me how the puddle of rain water was formed? (Hint: the answer is not waffles! xD)

Basically,if you can figure out how the puddle of rain was formed you've discovered how the universe was created without even realizing it.
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#44
RE: Thoughts on origins
(August 11, 2015 at 7:13 am)pool Wrote: Who can tell me how the puddle of rain water was formed? (Hint: the answer is not waffles! xD)

Well I'm not speaking to you anymore >:c
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#45
RE: Thoughts on origins
I felt like I knew the answer to begin with, but I forgot it after the first paragraph.
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#46
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(August 11, 2015 at 7:20 am)robvalue Wrote: I felt like I knew the answer to begin with, but I forgot it after the first paragraph.

Somebody give this guy an award
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#47
RE: Thoughts on origins
Your analogy reminds me of the classic 5 ape experiment {below, for those who aren't familiar with it}


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#48
RE: Thoughts on origins
Haha, that is interesting! (Even as a thought experiment.)

That in turn reminds me of some programs I've seen on gang violence with Ross Kemp and such. There's two rival gangs who kill each other on sight. When asked why they do this, what the dispute is about, they have no idea. They just say that is how it's always been.
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#49
RE: Thoughts on origins
(August 11, 2015 at 3:52 am)robvalue Wrote: First off, I'm far from convinced any of this is real. Not sure if that's relevant. Solipsism is something I can never overcome.

...

I have told you before that I do not really exist. What more do you need from me? And what kind of proof do you expect from someone who does not exist?

Also, though, I have told you it does not matter at all if solipsism is true or not. Whether your hand is real or not, whether a fire is real or not, you don't want to stick your hand into the fire. Even if it is an imaginary hand and an imaginary fire. Its reality or lack thereof is of no significance.


As for the universe, it does not really matter if it is eternal or not, or whether it had a beginning or not. Your life will be the same regardless of those things.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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#50
RE: Thoughts on origins
You are correct my good figment. Regarding this issue at least, it makes no difference whether things are real or not. And also, since I can be no more certain this isn't real than I can be certain it is, I would never take the chance of being mistaken. So I'm stuck treating it as real regardless.
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