Maybe some people are not afraid of endorsing traditional gender roles.. After all it's work pretty well for what 5000 years or so..

(August 15, 2015 at 6:32 pm)Drich Wrote: Maybe some people are not afraid of endorsing traditional gender roles.. After all it's work pretty well for what 5000 years or so..

Not having modern medicine worked for more than 5000 years, so why like modern medicine?  Why not prefer dying young, as most people did in the past?  Why not live without electricity and running water, like people did for many thousands of years?

(August 14, 2015 at 3:16 pm)stop_pushing_me Wrote: My point for this thread is to point out two quick biblical verses, and ask women ....why Christainity is something you would chose?
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If you still chose to follow the god of the bible, why?

Because persons often do not act in their own best interests.  They act in accordance with their perceptions of their own best interests.

In the case of religious decisions, women adherents' perceptions are colored and shaped by the society they keep.  Religion persists and expands, capturing minds, where and how it can.  It is the overall superorganism, much larger and more influential than any individual it absorbs whose persistence and expansion is optimized by natural selection among variants which include those oppressing women.  The success of this strategy is implicit in the prevalence it owns in current cultures.

A paper explaining and defending David Sloan Wilson's concept of "Religion as Superorganism" can be found here:
http://homepages.ecs.vuw.ac.nz/foswiki/p...l-2008.pdf
(pretty neat that a paper on natural selection for religions turned up on a New Zealand engineering and computer science university site.)

Quote:According to Wilson, religions are best explained
as ‘superorganisms’ adapted to succeed in competition against others. The
evolutionary history of religion is a battle of these titans

Quote:If we consider altruism to be an evolutionary mechanism for collective
benet,  then  another  layer  of  evolutionary  adaptation  emerges:  the  func-
tional properties of groups. These properties are invisible when we limit our
perspective to relations between individuals. To perceive relevant design we
need to look a level up

One must look a level up also in the case of self destructive behavior of religious women.

JuliaL, you remind me that evolution is not about what is best for an individual.  The species that survive are not necessarily the species whose members all act in their own individual best interests.

(August 15, 2015 at 6:43 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:

(August 15, 2015 at 6:32 pm)Drich Wrote: Maybe some people are not afraid of endorsing traditional gender roles.. After all it's work pretty well for what 5000 years or so..

Not having modern medicine worked for more than 5000 years, so why like modern medicine?  Why not prefer dying young, as most people did in the past?  Why not live without electricity and running water, like people did for many thousands of years?

apples and oranges sport.
Traditional male and female roles are sociological interactions not a matter of life and death or physical health. The only valid comparison you made is between old and something new. Because medicine and gender roles in the way you compared them share nothing else.

(August 14, 2015 at 3:16 pm)stop_pushing_me Wrote: It has come to mind more and more ...thinking of how women could possibly be Christians. 

Seriously, I have to argue with my partner all the time about religion. She stands in the corner of Jesus. I personally have no good reason to believe a god exists at all much less sent himself as his own son to earth ...etc etc etc.

My point for this thread is to point out two quick biblical verses, and ask women ....why Christainity is something you would chose?

1 Timothy 2:11-14
11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

These are just two quickly pointed verses. One from the new testament and one from the old. I think they depict women as inferior beyond doubt. 

Would you as a female want to follow a god that deems you inferior to men? If you still chose to follow the god of the bible, why?

Women like to be dominated.  They are the most loyal followers of religions where they are treated like dirt.  It's in their genes.

When you believe God is male, which is how 'he' is depicted in the Bible, you believe as a woman that you are inferior, and when you're brainwashed like that, you just accept it. I accepted it for a long time as a Christian, but then I woke up, left that religion, and now just see it for what it is...a way to control people. All people. Christianity enslaves men and women, differently...but they both end up enslaved, nonetheless.

People are simply retarded. There is no explanation for them believing in such a retarded religion.

As Chris Rock stated, "If you are black and Christian, you must have a short memory".

The same applies not only for women but anyone who relies upon breathing air for breath.

(August 16, 2015 at 12:52 am)Kitan Wrote: People are simply retarded.  There is no explanation for them believing in such a retarded religion.

As Chris Rock stated, "If you are black and Christian, you must have a short memory".  

The same applies not only for women but anyone who relies upon breathing air for breath.

that is true, but this is also why so many people indoctrinate children into religion, before they arrive at an age to reason.

i was indoctrinated as a kid, and it took a lot of 'undoing' of all of that for me to leave the faith.

the people who i marvel at are adult converts. they are at an age of reason, and yet still choose christianity?   lol

(August 16, 2015 at 1:02 am)Deidre32 Wrote: the people who i marvel at are adult converts. they are at an age of reason, and yet still choose christianity?   lol

As you already stated, it took a great deal of time for you to undo what brainwashing and indoctrination you had undergone.

Some people never receive the message of reason, for they illogically reason that their faith is being tested and that they have passed by still believing.