Going to heaven or hell through deeds is what I was raised on as a kid, more or less. Faith without deeds is dead, therefore just worshiping Jesus wasn't going to get you into heaven.

Later someone told me your deeds are like dirty rags, and it doesn't really matter about what you do. Just who you know. That's why you can get away with killing gays, and abandoning your children, and still get into heaven.

Being rewarded for what you do, instead of what you say, is the better option, and no one should have to explain why.

(August 28, 2015 at 12:35 pm)dyresand Wrote: You are sent back in time to prevent the crucifixion of jesus. After you do that every single human being is held accountable for their own actions.

Every single person is held accountable for his or her actions. This was true before the crucifixion and it is true today, also.

Quote:That being said every person believer or non believer has a equal chance of getting into heaven by being a good person.

Prior to Jesus' atoning sacrifice, everyone had the same chance of getting into heaven by being a good person: none.

Quote:Would you save jesus or let him die and be selfish and put your own wrong doings onto said being? 

If I could go back to Jerusalem the day before the crucifixion with full knowledge of what was about to transpire, of course I would let Jesus be arrested and crucified because that is why God sent his own son into the world...to save it.

Of course, I wouldn't want to come back here until the day after the resurrection, either.

No one is held accountable for their actions, save one: Whether or not they wish to worship Yahweh. Anything else is discarded. You can accept Jesus as your scapegoat, or you can go to hell. If people were held accountable for their actions, they would be jusdged by them. Not by whether they accepted a scapegoat.

So let me get this straight.... 2 theists on this forum would not go save their savior and let people be accountable for their own actions that way they can be selfish
of the opportunity to do some actual good and would rather go about their lives using jesus as a scape goat. So i am getting this right you would rather put all your wrong doings
onto a person that died rather than stand up for your own wrong doings. I have nothing to say...

(August 28, 2015 at 7:13 pm)Chad32 Wrote: No one is held accountable for their actions, save one: Whether or not they wish to worship Yahweh. Anything else is discarded. You can accept Jesus as your scapegoat, or you can go to hell. If people were held accountable for their actions, they would be jusdged by them. Not by whether they accepted a scapegoat.

We will still be held accountable for our sins...even if we are forgiven and saved. That forgiveness dealt with the eternal punishment for sins.

Purgatory deals with the temporal punishment for sins. Most believers will still face that.

(August 28, 2015 at 4:20 pm)Godschild Wrote:  You're not looking for Bible verses because you can't understand them, just as you can't understand what Christ actually did. You can't even understand that what you purpose is impossible and a waste of time even thinking about it.

GC

(August 28, 2015 at 7:16 pm)dyresand Wrote: I have nothing to say...

This was true before you posted, also.

(August 28, 2015 at 7:40 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(August 28, 2015 at 7:13 pm)Chad32 Wrote: No one is held accountable for their actions, save one: Whether or not they wish to worship Yahweh. Anything else is discarded. You can accept Jesus as your scapegoat, or you can go to hell. If people were held accountable for their actions, they would be jusdged by them. Not by whether they accepted a scapegoat.

We will still be held accountable for our sins...even if we are forgiven and saved. That forgiveness dealt with the eternal punishment for sins.

Purgatory deals with the temporal punishment for sins. Most believers will still face that.

I forgot catholics believe in purgatory.

(August 28, 2015 at 7:48 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(August 28, 2015 at 7:40 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: We will still be held accountable for our sins...even if we are forgiven and saved. That forgiveness dealt with the eternal punishment for sins.

Purgatory deals with the temporal punishment for sins. Most believers will still face that.

I forgot catholics believe in purgatory.

And why not? It's Biblical.

The Biblical Basis for the Doctrine of Purgatory

2 Maccabees 12:42-46
Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen. He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; or if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

Even those Christians who deny that Maccabees 1 & 2 belong are inspired and belong in the canon of the Old Testament must admit that this passage reveals that the Jews believed that that the living may pray for the dead and make sacrifices for them in order that they might be freed from the sins they had committed. It was with this cultural understanding as a backdrop that the following New Testament verses come into focus.

Matthew 12:32
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

Does this not imply that some sins can be forgiven in the age to come? Obviously, there is no sin to forgive in heaven, and sin is not forgiven in hell because it's too late and judgment is permanent. Therefore, the “world to come” where sin can still be forgiven must be a third, distinct place.

Luke 12:42-48
The Lord answered, "Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose the servant says to himself, 'My master is taking a long time in coming,' and he then begins to beat the menservants and maidservants and to eat and drink and get drunk. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. "That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”

Notice that there are not two but three categories of servants in this parable: 1) the “wise and faithful manager” who is rewarded (heaven); 2) the unfaithful servant who knows his master’s will but does not do it and who is “cut to pieces and assigned a place with the unbelievers (hell)l; and 3) the one “who does not know and does things deserving punishment.” This final servant is beaten with “few blows” (purgatory).

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

1 Peter 1:7
These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

(August 28, 2015 at 7:56 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: And why not? It's Biblical.
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Because it's biblical.