Not directly... No.

(September 20, 2015 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: The problem lies in the time line between now and the genealogies of the Jews that lead back to Adam at best come out to 6k years.

The problem with the genealogies aren't that they equal to six thousand years, the problem lies with the idea that Adam and his children came with in a few weeks of the last day of creation. Nothing in the bible puts a time line between the end of creation and the exodus of man from the garden. Adam and Eve could have only been there a week, but again because their is no time line they could have been in the garden the billions of years needed for evolution to happen.

That's the problem with creationism altogether.  It ignores clear evidence of how old the earth is in favor of a myth.  Having accepted the myth as fact, creationists then ignore all evidence of things older than 6,000 years.

(September 20, 2015 at 6:15 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(September 20, 2015 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: The problem lies in the time line between now and the genealogies of the Jews that lead back to Adam at best come out to 6k years.

The problem with the genealogies aren't that they equal to six thousand years, the problem lies with the idea that Adam and his children came with in a few weeks of the last day of creation. Nothing in the bible puts a time line between the end of creation and the exodus of man from the garden. Adam and Eve could have only been there a week, but again because their is no time line they could have been in the garden the billions of years needed for evolution to happen.

That ignores the clear teaching that death came through Adam. Evolution depends on death.

Evolution is about who reproduces most successfully, not who lives longest.

(September 20, 2015 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote:

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(September 16, 2015 at 1:10 am)Shuffle Wrote: Can all christians that don't believe in evolution explain to me your problems with it. It is just really hard for me to rap my head around someone not believeing in evolution in the 21st century, so it would make it easier if I understood exactly why you don't. And maybe I can help you through your confusions, maybe not.

Thanks!

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Quote:The problem lies in the time line between now and the genealogies of the Jews that lead back to Adam at best come out to 6k years.

The problem with the genealogies aren't that they equal to six thousand years, the problem lies with the idea that Adam and his children came with in a few weeks of the last day of creation. Nothing in the bible puts a time line between the end of creation and the exodus of man from the garden. Adam and Eve could have only been there a week, but again because their is no time line they could have been in the garden the billions of years needed for evolution to happen.

So if Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden for billions of years then Assyria, Persia, Arabia, and Ethiopia are also billions of years old.

(September 20, 2015 at 6:56 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(September 20, 2015 at 6:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: That ignores the clear teaching that death came through Adam. Evolution depends on death.

Evolution is about who reproduces most successfully, not who lives longest.

Hard to reproduce if you're dead. The fact that not everything lives to reproduce was one of Darwin's observations which led to toe.

(September 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(September 20, 2015 at 6:56 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Evolution is about who reproduces most successfully, not who lives longest.

Hard to reproduce if you're dead. The fact that not everything lives to reproduce was one of Darwin's observations which led to toe.

Bacteria and viruses are the primary agents of evolution for most organisms.  Gene mutations are also a significant agent.  

All animals are essentially worms encased in specialized bodies.  The core is the intestinal tract, which is the worm.  The outer body exists for the benefit of the worm.

(September 20, 2015 at 6:15 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(September 20, 2015 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: The problem lies in the time line between now and the genealogies of the Jews that lead back to Adam at best come out to 6k years.

The problem with the genealogies aren't that they equal to six thousand years, the problem lies with the idea that Adam and his children came with in a few weeks of the last day of creation. Nothing in the bible puts a time line between the end of creation and the exodus of man from the garden. Adam and Eve could have only been there a week, but again because their is no time line they could have been in the garden the billions of years needed for evolution to happen.

That ignores the clear teaching that death came through Adam. Evolution depends on death.

Really? Where is this 'clear teaching' at exactly?

Because in Genesis 2 16The Lord God gave him this command: “You may eat from any tree in the garden. 17 But you must not eat from the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil. If you eat fruit from that tree, on that day you will certainly die!”

To whom was God Speaking? The world and everything in it, or to Adam and Eve?

We know He was Speaking to Adam and Eve because He addresses them specifically. We also know He is speaking to Adam's decendents as well, because of what Paul said in Romans 5:12 but on the same token we also Eternal life is also possible again in Romans 5 through Christ's sacrifice thus canceling out the 'death' of Genesis 2, or so says Paul when he explains the meaning of "True life and True Death" in Romans 5:18-21.

That said nothing in the bible says everything else on the planet was immortal. that is just the religious (not biblically founded) teaching of men.

(September 20, 2015 at 6:55 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(September 20, 2015 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: The problem lies in the time line between now and the genealogies of the Jews that lead back to Adam at best come out to 6k years.

The problem with the genealogies aren't that they equal to six thousand years, the problem lies with the idea that Adam and his children came with in a few weeks of the last day of creation. Nothing in the bible puts a time line between the end of creation and the exodus of man from the garden. Adam and Eve could have only been there a week, but again because their is no time line they could have been in the garden the billions of years needed for evolution to happen.

That's the problem with creationism altogether.  It ignores clear evidence of how old the earth is in favor of a myth.  Having accepted the myth as fact, creationists then ignore all evidence of things older than 6,000 years.

Actually biblical 'creation' make no objections to the world's age nor does it make claim to it. The only thing the bible lays claim to is the 6000 years Man with a soul (Adam's decendants.) has walked the earth out side the garden. It says nothing about the events that took place outside the garden nor how long they took.

(September 20, 2015 at 7:06 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(September 20, 2015 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: [hide]

So if Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden for billions of years then Assyria, Persia, Arabia, and Ethiopia are also billions of years old.

Im not sure what you are talking about.. clarify.

That you find the date ranges offered by genesis inconvenient for your beliefs......doesn't mean that they aren't there, lol.  For a guy who claims to put alot of stock in the bible, you're awfully inconsistent.