(September 28, 2015 at 3:03 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Someone didn't make that ban permanent.  That oversight has been corrected.

Ha ha, I must have missed that.

(September 28, 2015 at 2:52 pm)Believer21u Wrote:

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(September 28, 2015 at 2:24 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Yeah yeah, and you're happy that 6 billion people are going to hell because they didn't choose the RIGHT imaginary friend.  Poe.

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Quote:No my friend listen,God's has set it up like this.

First every human being is a sinner.
But the sinner who put's his,trust in Christ will not be judged and will go to heaven,but not those who pretend to be Christian,but those who do his will.

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The rest of the people will,fall under God's judgement,and if they tried to follow God by example innocently,trying to follow God through another religion and they were good then they will be saved.

And as for the unbelieving the atheist's and the people who never tried to give God honour will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Your atheism is no excuse to God!!!

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."Revelation 21:8


The Church recognizes that God does not condemn those who are innocently ignorant of the truth about his offer of salvation. Regarding the doctrine in question, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (quoting Vatican II document Lumen Gentium, 16) states:

Quote:This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation. (CCC 847)

Quote:All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. For, since Christ died for all men, and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery. CCC(22)

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Read the damn fairy tale.  No one is going to heaven.  The best that you can hope for is a bunk in the giant golden cube called New Jerusalem, but only if you're a member of one of the twelve tribes of Israel.  And you'll be stuck on a waterless planet in constant light forever.

(September 28, 2015 at 3:25 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(September 28, 2015 at 3:03 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Someone didn't make that ban permanent.  That oversight has been corrected.

Ha ha, I must have missed that.

Next time poke it with the stick harder. For this ass maybe "Hey guess what, we all converted. Congrats. Come celebrate!".

(September 28, 2015 at 3:03 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Someone didn't make that ban permanent.  That oversight has been corrected.

Yeah, sorry about that. Bloody mobile and its over-sensitive touchscreen. I only winged him.

(September 28, 2015 at 2:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: It's not like Marco Polo was the only witness referenced....

Why reference him at all, is what I was getting at?

(September 28, 2015 at 7:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(September 28, 2015 at 3:03 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Someone didn't make that ban permanent.  That oversight has been corrected.

Yeah, sorry about that. Bloody mobile and its over-sensitive touchscreen. I only winged him.

"I only winged him." Heh. 

(September 28, 2015 at 12:16 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(September 27, 2015 at 11:38 pm)ronedee Wrote: And who else gets a million peeps to show up for lunch in Philly? You are in the minority of naysayers. And thinking that people will come to your  senses. Senses that are based in material worth and flawed logic. That which only takes us so far. And that isn't far enough... by a huge margin! Because you don't have "all" the answers. No person does.

You know, it's funny you should say that, because we're the ones  who always have to remind Christians who come in here that no one has all the answers; it's rather a central tenet of a skeptic's point of view. We also spend a surprising amount of time explaining to people that we don't base our values on "material worth", but on evolved primate social instincts and human-made culture, just like everyone else does (though they often don't realize it). What I suspect you mean is that by rejecting your invisible SkyDaddy's rules, you think we cannot be moral. If you really stopped to consider that one for a while, you'd realize just what degree of asshole that makes you for even thinking, let alone saying, that.

As for calling us minority naysayers, as though that's some kind of slur, you should really consider a couple of things on this chart:
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/ameri...2_1_310px/

You might be speaking for yourself here.... but each one of you anti's have a different spin on your unbelief, opinions and sarcasm reflecting your states of hatred for God, and those who believe in Him. You see the "skydaddy" rules because He knows how to reach the masses with one message that unites. Whereas atheism is a convoluted message of negativity contrary to human nature. And a system that has no leader, direction or moral compass, dissolves into chaos and cynicism. Where there is no God, there are no rules or consequences. There doesn't need to be. Therefore, you cannot be moral in an atheistic society. Because each godless person has their OWN idea of morality. Nice try bub. 

You don't seek anything more than you are able to see. That is your "material worth". And your "flawed logic" uses only subtraction to add things up. And what you perceive an "asshole" is everyone that disagrees with the hollow nature of atheism. I call atheism stupidity. At least agnostics keep open minds. 

The "message" will never kill itself. That's just a dumb thing to say! You can't kill HOPE. Its the first thing on a babies face when its born, and last thing on a dying persons mind. And that has NOTHING to do with: culture, religion, church, atheism, magic etc. If you haven't noticed... its instilled our very being! Its unique, and vital to our humanity! But, you pass it off as you do Love, as a "chemical" in our brains. Well, IF indeed you were as logical as you pass yourself off.... why would these "chemicals" be necessary? To quote a famous character: "Its NOT logical." And if logic is to replace our flawed chemicals... why do we need any intimate social contact at all? Test tubes can create better specimens than physical contact. Qui? No, you have it ass backwards. Logic is flawed, and Love and Hope are REAL! Science and logic are uncertain. Love is exact.

No, its not a religion, church or even pope that keeps people believing... its the message. Like you, I don't think any person created the message of: Peace, Hope and Love. It was created by God. We are not smart enough for that. But the irony is: If atheists and religious, just held that concept ALONE, we wouldn't be wasting our time arguing with each other. And to push that irony a step further? That is what Jesus wanted us to do! To love each other, unconditionally.

I'll take the first step here. Peace brother!

(October 1, 2015 at 2:08 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(September 28, 2015 at 12:16 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: You know, it's funny you should say that, because we're the ones  who always have to remind Christians who come in here that no one has all the answers; it's rather a central tenet of a skeptic's point of view. We also spend a surprising amount of time explaining to people that we don't base our values on "material worth", but on evolved primate social instincts and human-made culture, just like everyone else does (though they often don't realize it). What I suspect you mean is that by rejecting your invisible SkyDaddy's rules, you think we cannot be moral. If you really stopped to consider that one for a while, you'd realize just what degree of asshole that makes you for even thinking, let alone saying, that.

As for calling us minority naysayers, as though that's some kind of slur, you should really consider a couple of things on this chart:
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/ameri...2_1_310px/

You might be speaking for yourself here.... but each one of you anti's have a different spin on your unbelief, opinions and sarcasm reflecting your states of hatred for God, and those who believe in Him. You see the "skydaddy" rules because He knows how to reach the masses with one message that unites. Whereas atheism is a convoluted message of negativity contrary to human nature. And a system that has no leader, direction or moral compass, dissolves into chaos and cynicism. Where there is no God, there are no rules or consequences. There doesn't need to be. Therefore, you cannot be moral in an atheistic society. Because each godless person has their OWN idea of morality. Nice try bub. 

You don't seek anything more than you are able to see. That is your "material worth". And your "flawed logic" uses only subtraction to add things up. And what you perceive an "asshole" is everyone that disagrees with the hollow nature of atheism. I call atheism stupidity. At least agnostics keep open minds. 

The "message" will never kill itself. That's just a dumb thing to say! You can't kill HOPE. Its the first thing on a babies face when its born, and last thing on a dying persons mind. And that has NOTHING to do with: culture, religion, church, atheism, magic etc. If you haven't noticed... its instilled our very being! Its unique, and vital to our humanity! But, you pass it off as you do Love, as a "chemical" in our brains. Well, IF indeed you were as logical as you pass yourself off.... why would these "chemicals" be necessary? To quote a famous character: "Its NOT logical." And if logic is to replace our flawed chemicals... why do we need any intimate social contact at all? Test tubes can create better specimens than physical contact. Qui? No, you have it ass backwards. Logic is flawed, and Love and Hope are REAL! Science and logic are uncertain. Love is exact.

No, its not a religion, church or even pope that keeps people believing... its the message. Like you, I don't think any person created the message of: Peace, Hope and Love. It was created by God. We are not smart enough for that. But the irony is: If atheists and religious, just held that concept ALONE, we wouldn't be wasting our time arguing with each other. And to push that irony a step further? That is what Jesus wanted us to do! To love each other, unconditionally.

I'll take the first step here. Peace brother!

That may be the biggest load of horseshit ever dropped off on my rhetorical lawn. Wow.

The "chemicals" (why the quotes?) in our brains are known because we have tested and measured them, watched them functioning in fMRI studies at their known interaction sites in the brain, and are basically how the brain operates. I don't even know where to begin on the "love is exact" cowpatties. Your magic-based outlook appears to have warped your thinking processes.

I say "asshole" when you deliberately misrepresent atheism and atheists, even after you have been told by us how we actually are. It's a pretty basic definition of an asshole. If I went around saying that you Bible Idolators secretly read the Satanic Bible for your rituals, even after you told me that no such thing is even close, it would make me an asshole because it's not true, and I refused to listen to you tell me how it actually is.

"One message that unites" may be one of the most hilarious phrases I've ever seen you of you Bible Idolators use, since it's pretty clear that the thousands of Christian sects, none of which agree with one another, have very different ideas of what that "unifying message" actually is, and you've proved quite willing to kill one another over that in the past. Ask an Albigensian Christian.... oh wait, you can't. They were murdered by their fellow Christians for heresy. That's not even counting the fact that there are three entirely-separate religions based on Abraham, who kill one another almost endlessly.

I won't even bother to address the asinine claim that one cannot be moral in an atheistic society. I'll just leave you with a summary:

Quick, get the hose. He might still be on the lawn!

Let's analyze these supposed attributes of god's message...

Unifying? No, history shows Christianity has been one of the most divisive ideologies in history.

Hope? Yes, as in "hope he doesn't burn your ass for eternity."

Love? Yes, as in "love me or go to hell."

Looks like Yaweh went 0 for 3. He's the Chicago Cubs of deities.