(September 29, 2015 at 11:31 am)Chad32 Wrote: Originally catholicism WAS christianity, so if they got it so wrong so early in their ministry, what hope do we have of figuring out the right way to do it? The best we have is the bible, which was in the hands of people that got it wrong from pretty much day one. Whatever christianity is now, it isn't what any historical Jesus wanted. Might as well throw the whole thing out.

NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT! NOT CHRISTIANITY NOT CHRISTIANITY! LALALALALALA!

(September 29, 2015 at 6:20 am)Cato Wrote:

(September 28, 2015 at 12:46 pm)Drich Wrote: ..and that would found in what book? starting with which chapter? beginning and ending with which verse exactly?

Like it or not... History only points to when and where the catholic church 'schism-ed' from the bible. Once they/we separate ourselves from the bible with mandates and laws not found in the bible, we cease to worship the God Of The Bible.

There's small print in the Bible that reads: *This book is a compiled work of fiction from several authors; in other words, bullshit. People that accept this content as truth need to have their heads examined and should be monitored closely as they are also likely a menace to society. This started out as a joke for my personal amusement, as I tend to get a little lonely, but spiraled out of control. Best wishes and good luck dragging the morons into modernity. - Love, God.

If you have not seen this you should seek harder. I recommend also trying to A/S/K. If you do A/S/K and are still not shown where this is in the Bible, you must not be sincere or have a hardened heart.

Despite what you think about content, the point remains. If you go off and ignore what is written in favor of your own doctrinal understanding, then you cease to worship/follow the God of the bible.

(September 29, 2015 at 2:11 pm)Drich Wrote: Despite what you think about content, the point remains. If you go off and ignore what is written in favor of your own doctrinal understanding, then you cease to worship/follow the God of the bible.

(September 29, 2015 at 8:43 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(September 29, 2015 at 1:56 am)Godschild Wrote: From his own deluded mind, he saw the Germans as a superior race, he was an evolutionist and wanted to push evolution along by getting rid of the Jews and any other race he saw as inferior.

GC

I like that you call him an "evolutionist" as (in your mind) a counter argument to his motivations as a Christian. In your mind, he did it not based on his warped view of Christianity (despite clearly saying he was doing it for that reason), but because believed in evolution (a warped view of it). How can you think his view of Christianity is warped, then turn around and call him an "evolutionist"?

Do you seriously not understand how dishonest what you just said is? Are you honestly so blinded by your beliefs, or did you just not think it through? Hitler was a bigot and a psychopath, and he reached for popular justification wherever he could find it, in a mad grab for power. One of his justifications was Christianity, because he led a force of Christians-- that's why they had "God With Us" on their freakin' belt buckles and shouted the slogan as well.

The same is true for Stalin and Tariq ibn Ziyad (and atheist and a Muslim, respectively), or the Popes commanding Crusaders to go take the central trade routes in the "Holy Land"... as well as the Muslim leaders saying to take them back.

Haven't you ever heard of the saying, "a person living a lie to benefit himself."
I'm not going to say that Hitler didn't get some of his ideas from Christians who believed falsely that the Jewish race was a blight on the world, I'm sure he did, these wrong ideas had been going around for a long time, (even some of the early reformers had these ideas), throughout America, Europe, Russia.
Where did these ideas rise from, Darwinism. Now I'm not saying Darwin himself believe in eugenics yet there are those who have accused him of it. I'm not, I do not know enough about his personal thoughts. However his cousin was a different matter, he coined the term. He justified it by Darwin's evolutionism. Darwin's son gave the presidential address at the First International Congress of Eugenics, in London, before racial biologist from Germany and the United States.
Here's part of what he had to say, '... If we were to intentionally neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with overwhelming present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects as the weak surviving and propagating their kind...'
Here's a quote from a Nazi propaganda film, 'In a few decades, mankind has sinned terribly against the law of natural selection. We haven't just maintained life unworthy of life, we have allowed it to multiply. The descendants of these sick people look like this!' Then these people they think unworthy of life are shown on the film.
The German youth were also told to confess the same thing: 'mankind has sinned terribly against the law of natural selection.
Now for the religious side of Hitler, Hitler was regarded as a substitute saviour- and Hitler believed the same. A Nazi leader quoted in J.P. Stern's, Hitler: The Fuhrer and the people, said: 'My belief is that our leader, Adolf Hitler, was given by fate to the German Nation as our saviour bringing light into darkness.'
This makes Hitler by biblical definition of an anti-christ, the prefix (anti) means instead of, ie. substitute, Hitler fits both meanings.
My whole point here is this, Hitler bastardized Christianity and the theory of evolution to gain what he and the leading people in Germany believed, that they were superior and the destruction of the Jews was justified in their deluded bastardization of both. So my original statement is true, without these details. There is an enormous amount of information about how Hitler and his cronies believed incorrectly that the theory of evolution ie. natural selection and Christianity gave him the right to exterminate the Jews.
Now if you are as smart as you say you are I think I've given you enough to at least look into this and I hope you will. I take it very personally when someone says Hitler was a Christian doing what Christians believe is right, when only a few and very few Christians believed that the Jews were bad for mankind before the theory of natural selection. There were more Christians who believed this after the theory of natural selection, wrongly believing, the Bible never calls for such a thing and the NT actually teaches otherwise. So we have supposed Christians and people like Hitler using the theory for their own agenda, falsely using it I might add, so both sides of this Hitler thing should be denouncing Hitler for what he was, an evil murderer finding false excuses to justify his delusion.

GC

Hebrews make a cow out of gold, God smites them.

Catholic Church slaughters millions of Jews in the name of God, he don't do shit

Godschild wrote:
I take it very personally when someone says Hitler was a Christian doing what Christians believe is right, when only a few and very few Christians believed that the Jews were bad for mankind before the theory of natural selection. There were more Christians who believed this after the theory of natural selection, wrongly believing, the Bible never calls for such a thing and the NT actually teaches otherwise. So we have supposed Christians and people like Hitler using the theory for their own agenda, falsely using it I might add, so both sides of this Hitler thing should be denouncing Hitler for what he was, an evil murderer finding false excuses to justify his delusion.

GC


With regard to the part of your quote I bolded, are you serious?!? Have you ever read anything about European history? News flash: Christian anti-Semitism and Christian persecution of Jews was alive and well long before the 19th Century. Long before! Don't lay that shit at Darwin's feet. Hell, to take but one of myriad examples one could mention, Martin Luther was a foaming-at-the-mouth Jew hater of the first order. There are passages in his works that wouldn't have been at all out of place in Mein Kampf.

I take it very personally when someone piously whitewashes history to make his religion look better than it really was. Mass killings, pogroms, forced conversions, theft of property, mob actions (and most of it blessed by the religious leaders of the day) . . . the list goes on and on and lasted for centuries before Charles Darwin was a twinkle in his father's eye. But you think it took the theory of natural selection to bring things to a head? Get real.

(September 29, 2015 at 5:57 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(September 29, 2015 at 1:56 am)Godschild Wrote: From his own deluded mind, he saw the Germans as a superior race, he was an evolutionist and wanted to push evolution along by getting rid of the Jews and any other race he saw as inferior.

GC

I don't currently have the energy to correct the many, many things that are wrong with that statement, but I do have to ask, who is this Lord is he referring to if not God? Lord Ashcroft? Lord British? Lord of the Rings? Or is it a spelling error and he was actually talking to the band Lordi?

That's because there's nothing to correct, read what I posted to TheRocketSurgeon.

GC

(September 29, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Godschild wrote:
I take it very personally when someone says Hitler was a Christian doing what Christians believe is right, when only a few and very few Christians believed that the Jews were bad for mankind before the theory of natural selection. There were more Christians who believed this after the theory of natural selection, wrongly believing, the Bible never calls for such a thing and the NT actually teaches otherwise. So we have supposed Christians and people like Hitler using the theory for their own agenda, falsely using it I might add, so both sides of this Hitler thing should be denouncing Hitler for what he was, an evil murderer finding false excuses to justify his delusion.

GC


With regard to the part of your quote I bolded, are you serious?!? Have you ever read anything about European history? News flash: Christian anti-Semitism and Christian persecution of Jews was alive and well long before the 19th Century. Long before! Don't lay that shit at Darwin's feet. Hell, to take but one of myriad examples one could mention, Martin Luther was a foaming-at-the-mouth Jew hater of the first order. There are passages in his works that wouldn't have been at all out of place in Mein Kampf.

I take it very personally when someone piously whitewashes history to make his religion look better than it really was. Mass killings, pogroms, forced conversions, theft of property, mob actions (and most of it blessed by the religious leaders of the day) . . . the list goes on and on and lasted for centuries before Charles Darwin was a twinkle in his father's eye. But you think it took the theory of natural selection to bring things to a head? Get real.

I didn't whitewash anything, you read into my statement what you wanted to see just to extend an argument, what a small childish thing for you to do. I actually eliminated Darwin from Hitler's deluded ideas and brought supposed Christians into the realm of guilt, but only a blind bigoted idiot couldn't see what was written. I'm fully aware of past Christian atrocities as well as the atrocities of atheist and other religious groups, actually the whole of mankind, like the Bible says no one is good not one.

GC

(September 29, 2015 at 3:50 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Hebrews make a cow out of gold, God smites them.

Catholic Church slaughters millions of Jews in the name of God, he don't do shit

I think you should quit climbing trees, you fall on your head to much.

GC

Or the ignorant morons simply managed to market a new religion?