(October 9, 2015 at 11:17 am)Stimbo Wrote:

Quote:He deserves worship, but the good thing is that He created you with free will, so you don't have to if you don't want to.

Fine - so there's no problem then. As long as you work your side of the street and leave us to work ours, there's no reason we can't get on with our lives in peace.

BUT GOD MADE THE STREETS SO BOTH SIDES BELONG TO THE CHRISTAINS

Yeah; they're nothing if not predictable, eh?

(October 9, 2015 at 10:45 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 9, 2015 at 10:40 am)Stimbo Wrote: What do you know about "God's" nature and how do you know it?

faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
I had faith in what I heard.
Just spreading the message, you can ignore it, or listen idc

Faith may come easily, but faith isn't knowing something, merely believing.
He asked you how you know these things about God.

It seems knowledge claims about theological issues are the most ephemeral of soap bubbles. Prick them with a simple question and they burst irreparably. Until the next time.

Yes, I wax poetic on vodka.

(October 9, 2015 at 10:36 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 9, 2015 at 10:25 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: And these people wonder why we're terrified of them, and can't see a difference between them and ISIS.

mohammad was married to a nine year old or something. and they confuse mary the mother of Jesus with mary, moses and Aarons sister, because marium and mary are the same name in Arabic or whatever their language they use, so they messed up. moses and jesus were separated between thousands of years.

muslims think they can work their way to God's favor, when in fact God's nature is the exact opposite. They think they die for God when God died for them so they can live.

You don't even know what language Muslims speak and yet you expect us to believe anything you say? Go educate yourself, Danny. You need it badly.

(October 9, 2015 at 10:40 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 9, 2015 at 10:35 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I don't understand this "worshipping" thing that theists tend to do.
If I believed there was a god it would just be a thing I believed.
I don't worship gravity because I believe it exists.

God has loved you before He formed you in your mother's womb. He has known you before the world was created. He gave you life and when you were dead spiritually, He came to the rescue. He then makes you His child and loves you for eternity.

Prove it.

(October 9, 2015 at 4:16 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(October 9, 2015 at 10:40 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: God has loved you before He formed you in your mother's womb. He has known you before the world was created. He gave you life and when you were dead spiritually, He came to the rescue. He then makes you His child and loves you for eternity.

Prove it.

This guy STILL thinks that quoting the babble at us will have an effect.  Isn't that the very definition of insanity: when something doesn't work, you do the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over . . .   

We don't believe that gawd exists, and won't without scientific proof.  

Time for meds, straight-jacket and beddy-bye, poor little deluded toad.  Take your imaginary friend with you.

(October 9, 2015 at 10:40 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: God has loved you before He formed you in your mother's womb. He has known you before the world was created. He gave you life and when you were dead spiritually, He came to the rescue. He then makes you His child and loves you for eternity.

I don't believe in things because they sound nice.  I believe things because there is evidence for them.  There is no evidence of any of the above.

Over the Rainbow sounds nice. 



But that doesn't mean OZ exists.  Kansas, now Kansas exists, idiotic creationists and all.

(October 9, 2015 at 10:40 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 9, 2015 at 10:35 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I don't understand this "worshipping" thing that theists tend to do.
If I believed there was a god it would just be a thing I believed.
I don't worship gravity because I believe it exists.

God has loved you before He formed you in your mother's womb. He has known you before the world was created. He gave you life and when you were dead spiritually, He came to the rescue. He then makes you His child and loves you for eternity.

So, in your version of free will, god created me, knowing all along that I would not be convinced that he existed. 

And he did this, knowing that I will be punished for eternity for the finite crime of disbelief.

Why would he create atheists knowing that we will be punished?

I realize, this thread has moved on quite a bit.

What would I want to worship? Well, as has been said, the only being worthy of worship would be one that doesn't need or care about worship. An all powerful being, immortal and eternal would look at us like we are looking at an ant colony. And that's taking it generous. So, a being not wanting or needing worship because it's so far removed that it doesn't care. But such a being doesn't care about worship, so I wouldn't worship it and so the circle closes.