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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 9:40 am
(October 29, 2015 at 9:38 am)jenny1972 Wrote: theory : we and everything we see around us different species of plants and animals perfectly coordinated are nothing but the random inevitable result of an explosion
havent we tested this theory ?
It might have come up, somewhere, sometime, in the field of science. 
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 9:42 am
(October 29, 2015 at 9:38 am)jenny1972 Wrote: theory : we and everything we see around us different species of plants and animals perfectly coordinated are nothing but the random inevitable result of an explosion
havent we tested this theory ?
No - Nobody claims that it is an inevitable result.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 9:46 am
(October 27, 2015 at 9:59 pm)pool Wrote: Gravity isn't a real thing though,it's made up.
Gravity isn't a real thing but what is an attempt to explain why stones fell down.
So when we say that gravity was discovered what we mean is - an explanation as to why stones came down to earth was discovered.
I mean like,science is never going to find out the ^source^ Actually....
We have discovered what gravity is, a warp in space-time.
We have discovered the source of gravity, mass.
Now, why does mass clumping together cause space-time to warp? We don't know, yet... We've gotten this many parts of it figured out, why would you assume it's impossible to figure out the rest?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 10:23 am
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(October 29, 2015 at 9:42 am)Quantum Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 9:38 am)jenny1972 Wrote: theory : we and everything we see around us different species of plants and animals perfectly coordinated are nothing but the random inevitable result of an explosion
havent we tested this theory ?
No - Nobody claims that it is an inevitable result.
Or that it's random. We currently view it as the very -opposite- of random. Things proceed according to natural laws. Particularly in the case of the species we see - there is an exceedingly non-random explanation for that.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 10:44 am
@ Locke : Yes, I know that. I know it may come as a surprise but you completely missed the point.
At least Alex partially got it
*sigh*
Ah, forget it.
You guys are never going to get it
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 10:50 am
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hypothesis :
intelligent beings have created new things out of other material
has this been tested ?( i ask as i type on my computer keyboard )
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ugh this big bang religion is just as dumb as all the others .....
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 10:53 am
It's still Paley's idea of the Watchmaker. It does not follow that because intelligent beings make stuff out of nonliving materials which defies the natural order of things that it must also be true that life must have emerged by an intelligent process. It seems very clear that chemistry allows for the self-organization of self-replicating molecules, and that the current complexity of life is ordered by very simple rules of particle interaction that do not equally allow for watches to be made without human intervention.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 11:02 am
(October 29, 2015 at 10:50 am)jenny1972 Wrote: hypothesis :
intelligent beings have created new things out of other material
has this been tested ?( as i type on my computer keyboard )
It's being tested as we speak. It gets tested all day long. I get the feeling that you think this leads somewhere that it doesn't.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 11:14 am
(October 29, 2015 at 10:50 am)jenny1972 Wrote: ugh this big bang religion is just as dumb as all the others ..... Hahahahahahaha.... that's a good one!
Oh wait, you weren't joking?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 11:14 am
(October 29, 2015 at 10:23 am)Rhythm Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 9:42 am)Quantum Wrote: No - Nobody claims that it is an inevitable result.
Or that it's random. We currently view it as the very -opposite- of random. Things proceed according to natural laws. Particularly in the case of the species we see - there is an exceedingly non-random explanation for that.
oh so your saying before the big bang there was some kind of blueprint or organized DNA , hmmm pretty inpressive for unthinking exploding matter ...
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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