(October 28, 2015 at 5:23 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(October 28, 2015 at 2:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think if God can create another God, he would of. He can't however, and to say he can, would belittle his own reality, his unity, he is ultimate highness.  The nature of creation is not random, but created with respect to the truth of his face, which remains and doesn't disappear, and is from him and by which we return to him.

If he could he would?!? Bullshit. That jealous fuck couldn't handle the competition.

Imagine a being so insecure and easily intimidated that the mere existence of a fellow would diminish him.

The more theists try to make god look great the smaller he actually becomes.

(October 29, 2015 at 11:12 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 29, 2015 at 11:06 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: No. Try a legal definition, since that's what we're talking about: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...risdiction

Jurisdiction generally describes any authority over a certain area or certain persons. In the law, jurisdiction sometimes refers to a particular geographic area containing a defined legal authority. For example, the federal government is a jurisdiction unto itself. Its power spans the entire United States. Each state is also a jurisdiction unto itself, with the power to pass its own laws.

OK, god has jurisdiction over everyone, everywhere.

Well I didn't vote for her.

(October 29, 2015 at 12:52 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Well I didn't vote for her.

I didn't vote for Obama, but I still have to deal with the ACA.

(October 29, 2015 at 12:56 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(October 29, 2015 at 12:52 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Well I didn't vote for her.

I didn't vote for Obama, but I still have to deal with the ACA.  

I don't know what that is am too lazy to google it.

(October 29, 2015 at 1:01 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 29, 2015 at 12:56 pm)alpha male Wrote: I didn't vote for Obama, but I still have to deal with the ACA.  

I don't know what that is am too lazy to google it.

Affordable Care Act

It is, loosely, a claim that "consent of the governed" is meaningless if you don't like what the overall society decides is best for you.

ACA = ObamaCare, as it is referred to (usually with a sneer) here in the US. Many people object to being forced to pay for healthcare if they don't choose to do so. Which I think is insane, but *shrug*.

(October 29, 2015 at 1:13 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: It is, loosely, a claim that "consent of the governed" is meaningless if you don't like what the overall society decides is best for you.

ACA = ObamaCare, as it is referred to (usually with a sneer) here in the US. Many people object to being forced to pay for healthcare if they don't choose to do so. Which I think is insane, but *shrug*.

Ok so Alphamale objects to making health care affordable for all.
I pay national insurance n the UK, which means that healthcare is free for everyone at point of use. The one certainty we have is that at some point we will all need it and it being free is probably the thing that I would point to as one of the best things about the UK. We also pay less per head of population than the US do and they get a lesser service.

I agree. The NHS is fantastic, one of the greatest things about this country.

I've heard heart breaking stories of people in the US having to decide between their health and their house etc. due to very expensive operations they need.

(October 29, 2015 at 1:20 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Ok so Alphamale objects to making health care affordable for all.

Not at all. But, that's frequently not the result of Obamacare.

Example: employer with fewer than 50 employees doesn't feel like negotiating for health insurance. So, he lets employees buy their own, then reimburses them for it. Sounds fine, right? Well, the ACA made this illegal and punishable by a fine of $100/employee reimbursed/day. Yep, a fine of $36,500/year for reimbursing an employee's health insurance.

But, that same employer isn't required by the ACA to offer health insurance. So, he stops reimbursing, and the employees are worse off than before.

I'm not making this up. I work in small business taxation and have seen this happen. It's crazy.

ETA: See for yourself: https://www.irs.gov/Affordable-Care-Act/...rangements

I know your system isn't ideal because it had to be watered down due to republican pressure. But 9.3 million extra people have health cover due to the ACA.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/08...macare-ACA#

Quote:RAND’s Health Reform Opinion Study (HROS), a survey conducted using the RAND American Life Panel, allows us to estimate how many people have become enrolled in all sources of health care coverage since the implementation of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). The analysis presented here examines changes in health insurance enrollment between September 2013 and March 2014; overall, we estimate that 9.3 million more people had health care coverage in March 2014, lowering the unin- sured rate from 20.5 percent to 15.8 percent. This increase in coverage is driven not only by enrollment in health insurance marketplace plans, but also by gains in employer-sponsored insurance and Medicaid. Enrollment in employer-sponsored insurance plans increased by 8.2 million and Medicaid enroll- ment increased by 5.9 million, although some individuals did lose insurance. We also found that 3.9 million people are now covered through the state and federal marketplace—the so- called insurance exchanges—and less than 1 million people who previously had individual-market insurance became unin- sured during the period in question. While the survey cannot tell if the people in this latter group lost their insurance due to cancellation or because they simply felt the cost was too high, the overall number is very small, representing less than 1 per- cent of people between the ages of 18 and 64.