(November 10, 2015 at 12:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You are now going to how would God prove he is speaking to someone or revealing a revelation, however, God would never be in front of anyone, far exalted he be above that.

That's why I said the better philosophical game would be "I am a Messenger from God, what do I have to do, to prove it to you".

And the questions has two segments:

1) To your generation.
2) To lasting generations.

They are two different answers.

The number 1 is easy. The number 2 is more difficult.

You're going to have to explain how Allah is not subject to the hard philosophical problems of induction and solipsism.
How can It know that It is not a created being and ignorant of that fact?
'It just does' is not an adequate answer.

This is a recursive problem in which you've stopped at the first step.
Every time we've been able to look farther, reality is shown to be greater than we thought.
Why does your God not have the same issue?

It seems people never get the chance to analyse it, because there's all these reasons why it can't actually show up.

They can't have it show up, because it's the self-constructed-paradox plugger. As soon as it's real, suddenly it's apparent that it doesn't plug anything.

(November 10, 2015 at 6:08 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Looking directly at a nuclear blast, anyone ?

robvalue



He is capable of everything after all, In judgement day we will see him.
In this life we won't.

But interaction ? yes he can interact with us in this life, that is included in this verse ;

( 51 )   And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.


He won't create us with brains, then  then dump us without letting us know what to do.
Our bodies cannot bear seeing him, like I told stimbo ; nuclear blasts make us go blind, right ?

I mean we can even stand looking at the sun..

Just ignore the man behind the curtain.

How about a "member most likely to actually be God" category for the awards this time?

(November 10, 2015 at 8:00 am)robvalue Wrote: So we have the argument from fine tuning, the argument from personal discomfort and then the argument from ignorance.

I think I'm going to give up now, I can't face going through all those again, and they have nothing to do with the original question.

Unless someone really wants me to. Let me know, and I'll point out the flawed logic.

Thank you for your contributions

Once upon a time, I ate a "Halal" beef bacon. That is argument from bacon.
Then I ordered some Shawerma. That was argument from Shawerma.
After all of that, I had a sheesha with weed. That is "the greens" with the "means"; sheesha from argument ..

(October 30, 2015 at 3:58 am)robvalue Wrote: If I'm actually God, or Jesus, or Allah, or whatever, what would I have to do to convince you that I really am what I claim to be?

What would personally be enough to convince you? Please be as specific as possible.

This is mainly aimed at theists but atheist scum are welcome to chime in.

As with all posts I start, I'll reply to people usually on my ignore list as long as they are civil and reasonable.

Appear before me and sing Hotel California backwards...

Atlas, technically speaking, you didn't go with a book he set you, you went with a book that other people wrote.
You are basing everything on the honesty of humans. And we all know how that turns out.

Also, we wouldn't be having this conversation if by sheer luck, you were born 5000 miles away.
Is that logical?

(November 10, 2015 at 7:25 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 8:00 am)robvalue Wrote: So we have the argument from fine tuning, the argument from personal discomfort and then the argument from ignorance.

I think I'm going to give up now, I can't face going through all those again, and they have nothing to do with the original question.

Unless someone really wants me to. Let me know, and I'll point out the flawed logic.

Thank you for your contributions

Once upon a time, I ate a "Halal" beef bacon. That is argument from bacon.
Then I ordered some Shawerma. That was argument from Shawerma.
After all of that, I had a sheesha with weed. That is "the greens" with the "means"; sheesha from argument ..

Edit: forget it. I think you and I are past the point of having sensible conversations. Thank you and goodbye.

Rob, I think he won! He brought you down to his level and confused you with the fog of ignorance! (Isn't that a move in Tekken or something?) hehe

(November 10, 2015 at 7:46 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Atlas, technically speaking, you didn't go with a book he set you, you went with a book that other people wrote.
You are basing everything on the honesty of humans. And we all know how that turns out.

Also, we wouldn't be having this conversation if by sheer luck, you were born 5000 miles away.
Is that logical?

I might've lost faith in human honesty a long time ago, but I know "some" are honest. 
Though the whole idea behind this religion, is that it wasn't kept by the honesty of people , the hand of God kept it away from being forged or altered.

Yes, I might've not practiced Islam if I was born in a different place, but I'm sure if God wanted me to receive this message, I would've received it anywhere.

robvalue

I don't get a chance to show my sense of humor in debates like atheists do to theists all the time ? that's not fair !
I mean, you  guys make fun of our deities, books, God, us, prophets, but we don't get a chance to speak about shawerma and bacon in the middle of a debate ??

ignoramus

Quote:Rob, I think he won! He brought you down to his level and confused you with the fog of ignorance! (Isn't that a move in Tekken or something?) hehe

Won ?
I'm sorry, but don't lower me to the level of "debate nerds"; the type you see on youtube comments making fun of religious people or threatening atheists with beheading them, I don't debate to win, matter in fact "every person believes whatever she/he wanna believe". Nobody wins or loses.

People who debate to win never see the truth. Same like some Muslims, same like some atheists..

Why do you think I hate missionaries ?