So here's what my friend wrote basically

Quote:Top cuck, Morality flows from God himself without requiring that god arbitrarily decides what kind of traits will and must be considered good.
That's because God is a triune being, he is 3 beings all at once and he can objectively know right and wrong from one another because he's a triune being.
God doesn't decide alone due to the trinitas, the trinity, The three persons are distinct, yet are one substance, essence or nature.
In this context, a NATURE is what one is, while a PERSON is who one is.
Its not a Christian problem or dilemma or whatever you love to call it because it's easily explained, socrates does not and did not undermine the integrity of christianity but rather provided an opportunity to show the strength of being a triune being, a trinitas.
The trinitas is central to most Christian faiths which you would have known had you actually studied this siht, its believe is that there is only one God in three persons and while distinct from one another in their relations of origin and in their relations with one another, they are stated to be one in all else, co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial, and each is God, whole and entire as the bible says.

From the Bible:
"it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."

So you literally can't debunk this shit, because it's purely made up crap. At this point, there's no point in arguing philosophy. This is his response to a video I showed him by darkmatter2525, his new one called "why is murder wrong." This is also apparently why he thinks god isn't a dictator, besides the fact that I told him god isn't a dictator because he doesn't exist. What I actually meant is he does things indicative of one.

Haha, I just happened to post that video in another thread.

Yeah, when the level of "debate" gets to the point where it's not longer coherent, there's not much to say. Anyone with such little grasp of logic and reality isn't going to respond to any reasoned argument.

He is the worst kind of dictator (the Christian God that is, not your friend) but because he's god, he can do what he wants (might makes right).

Yeah, it's impossible to argue with someone that insists that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.

And I think he meant "Epicurus" not "Socrates." Christians always insist that the dilemma doesn't apply to them, usually by a simple wave of the hand. They try to weasel their way out of it by defining god in special ways, as you've seen. It's weak sauce.

(November 15, 2015 at 9:29 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: So here's what my friend wrote basically

Quote:Top cuck, Morality flows from God himself without requiring that god arbitrarily decides what kind of traits will and must be considered good.
That's because God is a triune being, he is 3 beings all at once and he can objectively know right and wrong from one another because he's a triune being.
God doesn't decide alone due to the trinitas, the trinity, The three persons are distinct, yet are one substance, essence or nature.
In this context, a NATURE is what one is, while a PERSON is who one is.
Its not a Christian problem or dilemma or whatever you love to call it because it's easily explained, socrates does not and did not undermine the integrity of christianity but rather provided an opportunity to show the strength of being a triune being, a trinitas.
The trinitas is central to most Christian faiths which you would have known had you actually studied this siht, its believe is that there is only one God in three persons and while distinct from one another in their relations of origin and in their relations with one another, they are stated to be one in all else, co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial, and each is God, whole and entire as the bible says.

From the Bible:
"it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."

So you literally can't debunk this shit, because it's purely made up crap. At this point, there's no point in arguing philosophy. This is his response to a video I showed him by darkmatter2525, his new one called "why is murder wrong." This is also apparently why he thinks god isn't a dictator, besides the fact that I told him god isn't a dictator because he doesn't exist. What I actually meant is he does things indicative of one.

Yeah, you can, just say the cosmology of the bible has no basis in fact, according to fact finding techniques infinitely superior to any that existed when people first began to think bible had basis in fact.

Yeah I've tried to explain to him that the people who wrote the bible didn't have any grasp of what science is. He doesn't really like science, he says that it's just as much of a guess as god is. He also calls atheism a religion, when I linked him the definition of religion from several different sources. Then he says "well atheists generally agree with buddhism and jewdeism". So there's really no way to convince these people. It's a massive headache waiting to happen, and I don't have the sort of extraordinary patience required to deal with it. So it's useless to try to explain to him about fact finding techniques, because according to him he thinks that science can't be 100% right. It's enough to make you vomit, but that's what friends are for.

Lol, he's just completely brainwashed. I consider such people a victim. He may well not be this dim and illogical regarding other subjects; people have a way of compartmentalising reality and their pet irrational beliefs.

I don't think there's much to be gained by discussion with him, until such time as he come to you seeking honest discourse.

(November 15, 2015 at 11:13 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: Yeah I've tried to explain to him that the people who wrote the bible didn't have any grasp of what science is. He doesn't really like science, he says that it's just as much of a guess as god is. He also calls atheism a religion, when I linked him the definition of religion from several different sources. Then he says "well atheists generally agree with buddhism and jewdeism". So there's really no way to convince these people. It's a massive headache waiting to happen, and I don't have the sort of extraordinary patience required to deal with it. So it's useless to try to explain to him about fact finding techniques, because according to him he thinks that science can't be 100% right. It's enough to make you vomit, but that's what friends are for.

Tell him when Christianity can guess a man onto the moon or guess a vaccine out of a bible, then he could claim science is just as much a guess as God is. Until then, God is one pathetically idiotic guess.

(November 15, 2015 at 11:29 am)robvalue Wrote: Lol, he's just completely brainwashed. I consider such people a victim. He may well not be this dim and illogical regarding other subjects; people have a way of compartmentalising reality and their pet irrational beliefs.

I don't think there's much to be gained by discussion with him, until such time as he come to you seeking honest discourse.

Oh trust me, he is. He is illogical in many other subjects. He loves national socialism, but identifies as alt right. Frequently talks about "social marxism", sympathizes with the nazis and loves George Lincoln Rockwell. The reasons I can so openly discuss this stuff with him, is because he's so extremely blunt in the way he talks. He can say "cuck" "fag" "nigger" "kike" facetiously all he wants, I can try to counter point whatever arguments he makes. It's a blast, he even calls me a degenerate when I talk to him about the guys I try to date. He sends me hundreds of pictures of European girls with swastikas, I spam him with whatever sfw pictures I have of cute guys and joke pictures. He's the most psycho person I have ever met in terms of politics, and pretty much all of my friends I have ever had online have been extremely psycho. I've met a few.

It doesn't matter if it's one person, or three people. If morality comes from any individual(s), it's subjective. That's what subjective means. Besides that, you're talking about a set of morals that says slavery, rape, and genocide is ok within certain limits, but consenting same sex adults making love is an abomination. The bible fails as a moral guide.

(November 15, 2015 at 12:01 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It doesn't matter if it's one person, or three people. If morality comes from any individual(s), it's subjective. That's what subjective means. Besides that, you're talking about a set of morals that says slavery, rape, and genocide is ok within certain limits, but consenting same sex adults making love is an abomination. The bible fails as a moral guide.

I agree, I've seen those statements too. I've given up on trying to put them into an argument. The only reply I get is "you've never read the bible, so you don't know what you're talking about". Well no, I haven't read the bible. I've been against religion ever since I was in my early teens. I've always thought church was a load of shit, I just never solidified myself into an atheist thinker until I discovered what atheism was, when all the pieces sort of fell into place. In his mind, whatever he says is true, so if you haven't read what he's read, he will say that you don't know the context, therefor your arguments are invalid. Most of the videos I watch and have always watched are Sargon of Akkad, The Amazing Atheist, Darkmatter2525, to name a few. I couldn't use those in an argument, obviously, because it will just be seen as biased logic. Tbh I find it way more difficult to read someone's religious crap than say, watch the entire carl sagan's cosmos, like I did when I was a lot younger. I do want to read the bible some time, but I just feel like I am not cut out to be a serious debater, because I just find trying to study some bullshit opposition which often sounds stupid right from the first couple sentences way too arduous.

Holy shit that took forever to type. My computer or the connection to this website is lagging so bad. It takes forever for the words to show up.