Religious friend dumps pile of shit in my facebook inbox. Too thick to tear apart.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

I was in a chat room last night, it was funny arguing with this guy. This guy was trying to tell me, because atheists believe in nothing, atheism doesn't exist. He kept telling me that I should try to define what god is, I was telling him that I can't because it's whatever's made up in someone's head. It's hilarious the shit that these people make up, he was telling me that "atheism is a lot like a religion", so I read him the definition of religion and he's like "okay so who made that definition?" I'm like fuck talking to this guy, jesus Christ. Eventually through getting interrupted a shit load of times, I eventually asked him if he believed there was a unicorn in the closet behind me, to which I told him he's an atheist to the unicorn. The guy was fucking high off his ass on something. When we got finished with the argument he was just bobbing his head to music with this big stupid grin on his face. It's funny how he thought he was so right, he'd be like "you'll understand some day." What a fucking mind rapist. You should have heard him argue about music though.

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He was also trying to tell me that atheism is a belief just like believing in god. I'm like, how do you call atheism a belief if you don't believe in god? I was repeating this over and over, "you either believe in god, or you don't. If you don't then you're an atheist". Then the self righteous attitude, ugh. UGH. To think that he sat there, accusing me of thinking I know everything, accusing me of spewing shit out of my mouth for a half hour.

[robvalue]

I guess if these guys constantly throw out stupid garbage, there's no danger of their logic circuits engaging at any point. Just how they like it.

And no, default atheism is not a belief. It's a lack of a belief. It's the default position, that you are not committed to saying God does or does not exist. Some people literally can't understand this, though.

It's like being on the jury. Say you've heard all evidence so far, and you don't feel convinced the defendant is guilty, but neither do you feel convinced that he's innocent. You're undecided. You're reserving judgement. There is no compulsion to have to consider any statement true or false, you can just say I'm not sure which it is.

That is weak atheism. Of course, many atheists will go further and say they do believe there is no God (strong atheism), in other words they will say yes, the guy is innocent. You can do so without also having to claim absolute knowledge of this. A complete absence of any evidence remotely linking the person to the crime, after the prosecution has spent hours throwing out irrelevancies, would be reasonable grounds for such a conclusion. Especially if the prosecution claims the defendant used "mind powers" to commit the murder, without ever properly saying what these powers are supposed to be; and then every witness for the prosecution tells contradictory versions of events, which overlap only on this idea of "mind magic" which they all describe totally differently.

I think I'd be confident saying the guy is innocent and this is some sort of lynching by people with a slender grip on reality.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

I love these quotes:
James Randy - No amount of belief makes something a fact
Christopher Hitchens - That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

It just seems absurd to say I "believed god out of existence" like oh if you just believe hard enough, god will go away. I don't believe in the concept because it's fucking retarded.

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Every single person's own god is whatever they make up. The guy was asking me to define god and I told him, it's different for everyone, it's whatever you want god to be. Your god is really just a reflection of your own thoughts and feelings. Do I believe that if I were to acknowledge those thoughts and feelings, that I believed up myself, untrue, then would I believe that god doesn't exist? It just seems like a massive false paradigm, which gives way to the "possibility" of there being a god. It's not "I believe god doesn't exist", it's "I believe god is a massive delusion. The believer's god is just his thoughts and feelings".

[robvalue]

Yeah, belief that there is no God is known informally as strong atheism, and it's a perfectly respectable and defensible position. It is "just a belief", but it's a rational examination of what is very likely to be the case. It's not based on emotions, logical fallacies or weird "personal experiences" that you've assigned massive significance to. I go into more detail about all this stuff on my website here.

When a claim is incredibly fantastical, and the evidence for the claim is zero, then believing the claim is actually false is sensible. If a bunch of new evidence suddenly turned up, then there's nothing to stop you re-evaluating the claim. But the people who are claiming it is true can present no good reason why they think it's true, so it's more likely they are mistaken or don't actually know what they're even talking about.

You could ask Mr Weed Head to define what exactly this God thing is meant to be (not things it has supposedly done, awards it has given itself and attributes it doesn't have) and how you can tell it apart from nothing. I've never had a sensible answer to that. Or why I should care if there is such a thing.

[Fake Messiah]

quote by dr. house: If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

If anyone feels like reading some more shit my friend wrote, I don't.

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I've actually spend most of this week studying what made great nations decay

And I've come to the conclusion that this is probably going to be the last stable generation

Take it as comfort

Homos dont have children

So you're safe

Your offspring will never be born

So my unbiased conclusion is

Every modern empire goes through the same system

Its been tested on rats too

They made small civilizations that eventually would eat themselves

Eventually internal fighting would cause several smaller groups to exist

Then those groups started to grow too large and  get too close to others and they would fight

Then some would explode internally and the survivors would move to other groups

Causing problems there

Until eventually it would lead to mass extinction

But my analysis is

Nobody learns from history, we as people are too brief in the current state that we are and our teachings are often too prejudiced to safe anything worthwhile

The average length of a civilization is 200-250 years

This hasnt been different in over 4000 years of history

The stages of every single nation have always been

Pioneers (discovering a nationing, outbursts etc etc)

Conquests (getting a strong position in said nation)

Age of commerce (The age of trading money, gold and services)

Then an age of wealth

After that becomes the age of intellect because there's enough safety, health and commerce to create an environment to learn

And right after the age of intellectuals, that's where the age of decay starts

The dead of any nation is always the same

Its defensiveness, pessimism, materialism, vanity and a massive welfare state

The two biggest problems are influx in immigration and the weakening of the religion that's dominant in said nation


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SAT 10:00PM

If you actually care to read that

Good job

Try to refute it

You will not

Its fact

Also

>Muh space travel, thanks christianit

Yeah I finally got the time to reply to that

Remember that time when we all murderered one another and nobody had any reasons to do anything but?

Christianity united people and forced us into a more intellectual age

Remember the Romand Empire?

When they became christian, they ended a lot of bloody traditions and became a lot more intellectual

Or what about healthcare and education for the common man, ended slave trade and most of the world's slavery, it ended apartheid in Africa and Magna Carta in 1215

What about fighting for fair pay for the common man, better working conditions, saturday and sunday free from work, most of the first scientists were Christians as well

7 of the founding fathers were Christian, the leaders of the industrial revolution were Christian, Nasa was mostly religious during the time of the first space travel

A lot of rules we have now are actually Christian rules

The language you speak is largely due to Christianity

History of Europe is almost entirely written by Christian sources because they were the only ones who cared enough to write it down

Hell, in times when everyone was too being ooga booga

Christians traveled for miles just to be able to get their hands on books and translate them

Just to get killed by the very people they were writing about

Before Christianity, they left their babies in the woods because they were the wrong gender

Inb4 b-but muh crusdes!
DARK AGES ;_;

you know what Christians mostly did during that time?

Write shit down, teach common people how to read

Muslims plundered, raped and murdered Europe for like 300 years

Completely fucked the Moors in their assholes

And we didnt do anything





[url=https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010412431711#]

And after 300 years of being shit on we had enough and fought back

The Crusades were entirely justified

Were they justified on their own?

No they were not, murder is never good

Were they justified compared to the shared enemy of these people and their conquests?

Yes they were

It was either fight or die

Most Crusaders were common people who traveled for miles leaving their wife and children behind, their hometown, sold aboslutely everything they had for a piece of armor and a sword to die on the battlefield defending their nation

And now we shit on them and say its our faullt

And say we probably deserved it too

People who think that Christianity has always been a force working against us is a fucking retard

WIthout Christianity you would be called Mohammed

And the Iran revoltion would be a worldwide one[/spoiler]

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[dyresand]

If anyone feels like reading some more shit my friend wrote, I don't.

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I've actually spend most of this week studying what made great nations decay

And I've come to the conclusion that this is probably going to be the last stable generation

Take it as comfort

Homos dont have children

So you're safe

Your offspring will never be born

So my unbiased conclusion is

Every modern empire goes through the same system

Its been tested on rats too

They made small civilizations that eventually would eat themselves

Eventually internal fighting would cause several smaller groups to exist

Then those groups started to grow too large and  get too close to others and they would fight

Then some would explode internally and the survivors would move to other groups

Causing problems there

Until eventually it would lead to mass extinction

But my analysis is

Nobody learns from history, we as people are too brief in the current state that we are and our teachings are often too prejudiced to safe anything worthwhile

The average length of a civilization is 200-250 years

This hasnt been different in over 4000 years of history

The stages of every single nation have always been

Pioneers (discovering a nationing, outbursts etc etc)

Conquests (getting a strong position in said nation)

Age of commerce (The age of trading money, gold and services)

Then an age of wealth

After that becomes the age of intellect because there's enough safety, health and commerce to create an environment to learn

And right after the age of intellectuals, that's where the age of decay starts

The dead of any nation is always the same

Its defensiveness, pessimism, materialism, vanity and a massive welfare state

The two biggest problems are influx in immigration and the weakening of the religion that's dominant in said nation


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SAT 10:00PM

If you actually care to read that

Good job

Try to refute it

You will not

Its fact

Also

>Muh space travel, thanks christianit

Yeah I finally got the time to reply to that

Remember that time when we all murderered one another and nobody had any reasons to do anything but?

Christianity united people and forced us into a more intellectual age

Remember the Romand Empire?

When they became christian, they ended a lot of bloody traditions and became a lot more intellectual

Or what about healthcare and education for the common man, ended slave trade and most of the world's slavery, it ended apartheid in Africa and Magna Carta in 1215

What about fighting for fair pay for the common man, better working conditions, saturday and sunday free from work, most of the first scientists were Christians as well

7 of the founding fathers were Christian, the leaders of the industrial revolution were Christian, Nasa was mostly religious during the time of the first space travel

A lot of rules we have now are actually Christian rules

The language you speak is largely due to Christianity

History of Europe is almost entirely written by Christian sources because they were the only ones who cared enough to write it down

Hell, in times when everyone was too being ooga booga

Christians traveled for miles just to be able to get their hands on books and translate them

Just to get killed by the very people they were writing about

Before Christianity, they left their babies in the woods because they were the wrong gender

Inb4 b-but muh crusdes!
DARK AGES ;_;

you know what Christians mostly did during that time?

Write shit down, teach common people how to read

Muslims plundered, raped and murdered Europe for like 300 years

Completely fucked the Moors in their assholes

And we didnt do anything





[url=https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010412431711#]

And after 300 years of being shit on we had enough and fought back

The Crusades were entirely justified

Were they justified on their own?

No they were not, murder is never good

Were they justified compared to the shared enemy of these people and their conquests?

Yes they were

It was either fight or die

Most Crusaders were common people who traveled for miles leaving their wife and children behind, their hometown, sold aboslutely everything they had for a piece of armor and a sword to die on the battlefield defending their nation

And now we shit on them and say its our faullt

And say we probably deserved it too

People who think that Christianity has always been a force working against us is a fucking retard

WIthout Christianity you would be called Mohammed

And the Iran revoltion would be a worldwide one[/spoiler]

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All i can say is wow.... the indoctrination and ignorance is strong with this one.... all in after reading through all of this there
isn't much you can do to get him to change but the better thing to do is to get him to think and that's  pretty much it. 
Not all people are too far gone when i was watching Bill Nye vs Ken Ham, Bill was only really there using facts to get people to think
and well Ken he messed up and defeated himself and his position.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Your 'friend' appears to be made of equal parts ignorance and idiocy. His quote, 'it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds' is from the Profession of Faith in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It is not to be found in the Bible.

Boru

[Mudhammam]

From the Bible:
"it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."

I'm really quite certain he pulled that Bible quote out of his ass.