I will vote for Sanders, but even if he wins my suspicion is it will not make a lot of difference. At this point the only thing American politics can do is the equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The ice burg hit was hours ago, the lower compartments are nearly flooded, and the boat is already listing past the point of no return.

The reality is that the American political system is hopelessly corrupted, ham-strung by an antiquated Constitution, and bankrupted by an out-of-control military. But we Americans abandoned any relationship with reality a long time ago, the crazies took over, and pure lunacy rules. Sanders is not as crazy as some of the others, but he has about as much hope of bailing out this country as Captain Smith had of bailing the North Atlantic out of his ship.

Vote, it is the right thing to do ...

”but do not trust to hope. It has forsaken these lands.” LOTH, The Two Towers

(Silly movie. After all, the last fucking thing we need is the return of a King. But it was okay mythology and this is a good quote.)

(December 13, 2015 at 11:35 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 13, 2015 at 11:31 am)Minimalist Wrote: Hillary.  Because Sanders is unelectable and the thought of any the republicunt shitheads with his finger on the nuclear button is too terrible to consider.

If Bernie goes against Trump he absolutely will win. Trump is crazy. Even most of the conservatives I know aren't voting for him if he's the Repub Presidential candidate.

Yes, I've heard there are republicans who are declaring they'll vote for Bernie no matter what. It doesn't come as a surprise if you look at how consistent Bernie has been politically over his whole career, and that he's been an Independent until now, not a Republican or a Democrat and so he's got that over everyone else.

(December 13, 2015 at 12:12 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Feelin' the Bern. I hope Warren would accept a Veep bid, but she's said she's not running for executive office.

She might reconsider, you never know. It's hard to imagine she wouldn't want to, if things really got going with the voters.

(December 13, 2015 at 12:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't understand who all these people are that are voting for Hillary and Trump. Everyone on my facebook and that I have talked to in person or on here about this subject seem to like Bernie and Rubio (or at least not Trump).

If I didn't know about the poll results, I'd think Bernie had it in the bag for sure as far as the Democratic election goes. The Republican I wouldn't know, but I definitely definitely would think Trump was at the very bottom.

Sheesh, that did amaze me too until I've started to actually believe all the nuts and think the media is bought and paid for. And it's such a scary thought that I still don't fully believe it. Yet what the internet is showing me and what the media are saying is two entirely different things. 

What fucking cunts the media are if they are truly doing this. I would never lay my eyes on any of their websites or buy anything related to them again.

(December 13, 2015 at 6:23 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 13, 2015 at 11:35 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If Bernie goes against Trump he absolutely will win. Trump is crazy. Even most of the conservatives I know aren't voting for him if he's the Repub Presidential candidate.

Don't underestimate the potential of fearmongering. Trump doesn't appeal to what you call conservatives, but he appeals to people, who are already afraid and feel themselves strenghtened in their prejudices and fears. And this group is all over the board.

Are you kidding me . If Bernie goes against Trump, Trump's so fucked he won't know what hit him.

(December 13, 2015 at 8:44 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Without a doubt the first priority must be to keep the irresponsible party out of the presidency.  But in my dreams Bernie wins and somehow shames the congress into passing worthwhile legislation.  But I personally have no issue with Hillary and will happily vote for her if she is on the ballet.

That explains why I didn't vote in the poll.  I'm not wed to either Hillary or Bernie.  But I will definitely vote for the one of them that wins the Dem primary.

Yeah, but you'll vote for one of them in the primaries, won't you?

(December 13, 2015 at 8:51 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I'm too lazy to vote, but I would vote for Trump even though I disagree with him on pretty much everything.

Here are 5 good reasons to vote for trump:

1. Min would become even more entertaining on this site then he already is, although he might have a rage induced heart attack (He is older than dirt)

2. We would have the best stand up comedy and late night comedy of a generation.

3. Hottest first lady and first daughter of all time

4. The people on this site are generally skeptics, but they believe literally anything negative written about Trump with little to no evidence and I think that's funny.

5. The debates between him and Hillary would be hilarious, between him and Bernie Sanders would be even funnier.

I can't fucking wait for Bernie to go against Trump in the finals. I'm so pumped for that, you have no idea.

What if something truly amazing happens and there's a huge turnout and they change the House and Senate too.

Just remember I called it.

What? You guys get to watch that in Romania? (you're from Romania, right?)

(December 13, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What? You guys get to watch that in Romania? (you're from Romania, right?)

I'm from Moldova.

There's a thing called the internet.

But, yes, I could also get some American Tv Channels like np.

Oh wow. I didn't realize you guys had the internet in that part of the world. Cool!