(December 26, 2015 at 9:09 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: You could say I couldn't have known whether you would have picked up on it or not, if I was still being disingenous, but then why would I have risked it unless I knew for sure one way or the other, which I couldn't have.

True but I don't suspect you are 50/50 on the matter I suspect that you think that it wouldn't have occurred to me, and of course it did, so I think that may have surprised you... and I think even if you realize you underestimated me somewhat I think you would still rationalize (incorrectly) that you're massively more intelligent than me.

I could be wrong though, you may not think that at all... and you may indeed be being 100% genuine.

Quote:I have no idea what I'm saying here, keep in mind I'm just going along with you on this. I know you have every reason to be skeptical about my sudden change in behaviour, so I guess there's nothing to do but be patient and let you decide over time.

Fair enough. And I agree that I think that's the right thing to do--be patient--whether I'm right to be skeptical or not on this regard.

Although of course I may always suspect you somewhat no matter how much time passes, I'm not easily hoodwinked

God, this is like a mafia game outside of mafia, is he scum or is he town?

(December 26, 2015 at 9:15 pm)Evie Wrote:

(December 26, 2015 at 9:09 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: You could say I couldn't have known whether you would have picked up on it or not, if I was still being disingenous, but then why would I have risked it unless I knew for sure one way or the other, which I couldn't have.

True but I don't suspect you are 50/50 on the matter I suspect that you think that it wouldn't have occurred to me, and of course it did, so I think that may have surprised you... and I think even if you realize you underestimated me somewhat I think you would still rationalize (incorrectly) that you're massively more intelligent than me.

I could be wrong though, you may not think that at all... and you may indeed be being 100% genuine.

Quote:I have no idea what I'm saying here, keep in mind I'm just going along with you on this. I know you have every reason to be skeptical about my sudden change in behaviour, so I guess there's nothing to do but be patient and let you decide over time.

Fair enough. And I agree that I think that's the right thing to do--be patient--whether I'm right to be skeptical or not on this regard.

Although of course I may always suspect you somewhat no matter how much time passes, I'm not easily hoodwinked

Well, in terms of how right you are to still be skeptical about my behaviour I would have to disagree. I couldn't possibly ever prove to you 100% that I'm being genuine right now, but I can get you pretty close to it, I think.

First, let's consider this. What reason would I have to pretend and do you actually think me capable of going to such lenghts just to pull one over on you?

Second, let me just say this. It did start somewhat dishonest, even though something you said got to me while I was smoking and thinking about it outside. But then I realized that I was simply making excuses for myself.

I'm starting to think I'm not that intelligent either, even though I believed that for a very long time.

So, at this point, you might think I'm using half-truths to help my case as well. That, I'm not so sure how I would go about disproving, but that's ok, I never intended to get you to completely trust me, since that's kind of impossible(at least theoretically).

(December 26, 2015 at 9:21 pm)emjay Wrote: God, this is like a mafia game outside of mafia, is he scum or is he town?

Haha, that's a great analogy.

  I miss those games so much.

(December 26, 2015 at 9:30 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote:

(December 26, 2015 at 9:21 pm)emjay Wrote: God, this is like a mafia game outside of mafia, is he scum or is he town?

Haha, that's a great analogy.

  I miss those games so much.

Believe it or not, I miss you from them.

(December 26, 2015 at 9:32 pm)emjay Wrote:

(December 26, 2015 at 9:30 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: Haha, that's a great analogy.

  I miss those games so much.

Believe it or not, I miss you from them.

That's sweet. Thanks.

I'm not sure I would be able to start playing again, since I upset a lot of people. I wouldn't want to bring up bad memories, not even if I know I'm going to behave well.

(December 26, 2015 at 9:35 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote:

(December 26, 2015 at 9:32 pm)emjay Wrote: Believe it or not, I miss you from them.

That's sweet. Thanks.

I'm not sure I would be able to start playing again, since I upset a lot of people. I wouldn't want to bring up bad memories, not even if I know I'm going to behave well.

Hmm. WIFOM overdrive here. I think I prefer you calling me an idiot   Cos then at least I know where I stand   I do miss you though - I miss crossing swords with you.

(December 26, 2015 at 9:41 pm)emjay Wrote:

(December 26, 2015 at 9:35 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: That's sweet. Thanks.

I'm not sure I would be able to start playing again, since I upset a lot of people. I wouldn't want to bring up bad memories, not even if I know I'm going to behave well.

Hmm. WIFOM overdrive here. I think I prefer you calling me an idiot   Cos then at least I know where I stand   I do miss you though - I miss crossing swords with you.

I'm sorry, but that's not possible anymore. I don't feel the need to call people idiots anymore. I can tell you though, it's just a way for people to deflect attention from themselves. So at the end of the day, it's all just a sham.

But why would you trust me more if I said something bad. Couldn't I be dishonest, but decent, like Evie described? I guess we know which one you prefer, though.

EP, I don't think you returning to Mafia would be a good idea.

And another thing I do appreciate you whilst you are remaining decent on the forums. If you can keep it that way then that would be awesome.

(December 26, 2015 at 9:48 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: But why would you trust me more if I said something bad. Couldn't I be dishonest, but decent, like Evie described? I guess we know which one you prefer, though.

For the record I can't decide whether I think ultimately decency or honesty is more important. As I said, both are massively important and it depends..

Of course, to have both is preferable... but to have one of either is better than to have neither.