(December 18, 2015 at 2:19 pm)Drich Wrote:

(December 18, 2015 at 2:16 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: So, as far as you know, Mary might well have been as perfect a human being as Jesus or anyone else according to your sources.  If the bible is mute, then your point is moot.

No.. We then Go to what Paul says about every person put on this earth besides Christ... If Mary has not been given any special dispensation, concerning sin then she is considered to be a sinner like everyone else as she is not Christ.

You may be alluding to Romans 3:23 here, but this does not prove what many claim that it proves. 

Do little children have the capacity to sin? What about those who are mentally handicapped? 

So, if these cannot commit personal sins because they do not have the necessary capacity to do so, then NOT ALL have sinned. Some have not.

And if these two categories of non-sinners exist, then it is not absolutely binding that "all have sinned". There is simply a third category of non-sinner which only contains one person, Mary.

And just as Adam and Eve were made by God without original sin, so God chose to preserve Mary from the effects of the fall.

So, no true Scotsman, or reducto absurdum ?

Where we at here, I'm getting confused.

(December 29, 2015 at 10:30 am)vorlon13 Wrote: So, no true Scotsman, or reducto absurdum ?

Where we at here, I'm getting confused.

Any consequent is materially implied by a false antecedent...

Are we all flirting around the real question here ??

Was God any good and did Mary come ????