(January 3, 2016 at 6:01 pm)Cephus Wrote:

(January 3, 2016 at 3:24 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I think when you can't find a logical secular explanation for what you're feeling, feeling that something is supernatural that's happened, isn't such a big leap. Maybe everyone's threshold for describing these things is different, that could be, too. I could also easily say...''I don't know,'' as to what happened, if I can't find a secular explanation for it. So, there's that too. There's nothing wrong with saying ''I don't know,'' and it's also okay to say ''That seemed out of the ordinary, I wonder if that was Divine intervention?'' None of us know with certainty things that relate outside of our senses...it is hard to imagine that something actually might exist outside of our ability to comprehend it.

The only logical and rational explanation for something you don't know is "I don't know".  It is never "I don't know, but that doesn't make me feel good so I'll just make up some nonsense that gives me a warm feeling inside and decide it has to be true."

Not what I'm doing, but I do like your bluntness. Would you say you are a materialist?

(January 3, 2016 at 6:52 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:

(January 3, 2016 at 6:01 pm)Cephus Wrote: The only logical and rational explanation for something you don't know is "I don't know".  It is never "I don't know, but that doesn't make me feel good so I'll just make up some nonsense that gives me a warm feeling inside and decide it has to be true."

Not what I'm doing, but I do like your bluntness. Would you say you are a materialist?

I'm a realist.  I care about what is real.  So far, the only actual evidence we have is for material things that actually exist in the real universe.  Therefore, that's all any rational person ought to believe in.  When evidence for something else is found, we should accept that, but not before.

(January 3, 2016 at 11:27 pm)Cephus Wrote:

(January 3, 2016 at 6:52 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Not what I'm doing, but I do like your bluntness. Would you say you are a materialist?

I'm a realist.  I care about what is real.  So far, the only actual evidence we have is for material things that actually exist in the real universe.  Therefore, that's all any rational person ought to believe in.  When evidence for something else is found, we should accept that, but not before.

I agree, when you don't have an answer for something, the rational answer is I don't know. Turning to your imagination to come up with answers is in no way a pathway to truth.

(January 3, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:

(January 3, 2016 at 11:27 pm)Cephus Wrote: I'm a realist.  I care about what is real.  So far, the only actual evidence we have is for material things that actually exist in the real universe.  Therefore, that's all any rational person ought to believe in.  When evidence for something else is found, we should accept that, but not before.

I agree, when you don't have an answer for something, the rational answer is I don't know. Turning to your imagination to come up with answers is in no way a pathway to truth.

Maybe it's not one's imagination. 

(January 4, 2016 at 12:07 am)Deidre32 Wrote:

(January 3, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: I agree, when you don't have an answer for something, the rational answer is I don't know. Turning to your imagination to come up with answers is in no way a pathway to truth.

Maybe it's not one's imagination. 

Maybe.

I'll ask the voices in my head and get back to you. They're real, you know. Really. Just ask me.

I'm sure I can't be imagining things, misinterpreting my experiences, indulging in wishful thinking, or going mad.  

(January 4, 2016 at 12:12 am)Crossless1 Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 12:07 am)Deidre32 Wrote: Maybe it's not one's imagination. 

Maybe.

I'll ask the voices in my head and get back to you. They're real, you know. Really. Just ask me.

I'm sure I can't be imagining things, misinterpreting my experiences, indulging in wishful thinking, or going mad.  

Maybe you are but a figment too of my imagination? Hmm..... I don't know. 

God is never in our grasps, always in our imagination, but the heart imagination of God, is vision of the real. The illumination is that of not simply beauty and majesty but of existence. In other words, light doesn't just manifest God's beauty and greatness, it manifest it's reality and existence being real much like we can see ourselves to be real.

(January 4, 2016 at 12:17 am)Deidre32 Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 12:12 am)Crossless1 Wrote: Maybe.

I'll ask the voices in my head and get back to you. They're real, you know. Really. Just ask me.

I'm sure I can't be imagining things, misinterpreting my experiences, indulging in wishful thinking, or going mad.  

Maybe you are but a figment too of my imagination? Hmm..... I don't know. 

Not only am I not a figment of your imagination, I am "your" imagination. I even plant your dreams. And shit's about to get weird.

Sleep well. 

(January 4, 2016 at 12:33 am)MysticKnight Wrote: God is never in our grasps, always in our imagination, but the heart imagination of God, is vision of the real. The illumination is that of not simply beauty and majesty but of existence. In other words, light doesn't just manifest God's beauty and greatness, it manifest it's reality and existence being real much like we can see ourselves to be real.

Sooooo.....

What are you smoking and where can i get it?

Weird, i can't reply to MK.Something about specified post not existing.

I want what he's smoking...