(January 10, 2016 at 10:56 am)pool Wrote:

(January 9, 2016 at 11:19 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Your point is? You want to start a dick waiving competition about who is more oppressed? Tell me about the last time you were denied an education because you were a woman? Tell me about the time that nearly entire schools made fun of because you were a woman? Tell me the last you got fired for being a woman.
What your listing as insults are insults because they are abdications of your identity, hence if I say you look like a man its insulting. Just like you say I look like a woman its insulting. Hardly makes bbeing a woman a insult. Being called a bitch is a insult, so is being called a dick, or a prick. I use those words sometimes not because I want to insult women, but because their colloquial definitions match what I'm describing. When I call you a cunt, its not because I'm envisioning a vagina, its describing a whiny person with no back bone. It really has nothing to do with gender beyond the fact that historically people used people genetalia to refer to the worst aspects of both gender stereo types. Both gender types. Unfortunately equality is a bitch when everyone is being shit on.
As for your last part? That's hardly sexism, that shity characterizing of people you actually do meet. You say the same thing across all genders and races. You have the douchy pick up artist, the dumb jock, the pick up artist, the thug, and that is just off the top of my head. Want more women in writing? Cut the I'm a victim bullshit and get girls to pursue their own goals. Be it writing or having a family or being a fucking astronaut. Women can be whatever they want just as much as a man can, and the last thing they need is a bunch of people infantilizing them and saying they are perpetual victims.
Also, I can think of a number of tv shows that do not follow those dumb characterizations at all. I.E star trek Voyager, star trek deep space nine, battle star Galactica, firefly, forever. And that is just what I can name off the top of my head. You have to remember TV shows use characterizing extensively and get they often appeal to the lowest common denominator.

home run

edit;
I don't mean to offend, but some women seriously need to get rid of this victim complex of theirs.

I acknowledged that my post was poorly-phrased,
I am actually annoyed with myself because it conveyed the exact opposite
of what I was endeavoring to say.

I don't mind if people disagree with me,
but I don't like being misunderstood,
and I hate when it is my own fault,
which it is, in this case.

I actually agree with LemonVariable insofar it should NEVER become a contest
as to which group suffers more;

there is no excuse for ignorance, stereotyping, or stigmatizing, ANYWHERE.

However, both you and LemonVariable are guilty of labeling feminism as "victims".

It is one thing if he wants to criticize me for sounding like I am starting a competition to see who is the most oppressed; that is valid.

But for him, or you, to turn around and say that feminists need to stop whining and playing the victim card
is unacceptable;

This is self-contradictory for LemonVariable to draw attention to how Autistic people are stigmatized,
yet call feminists victims.

Women are still paid less than men,
still oppressed in many parts of the world,
still having their genitals mutilated,
and right here, in North America, we also face a growing problem of human trafficking of young women;

...yet he wants to dismiss any feminists as "victims",
while holding up Autistic people as unfairly persecuted

...and in the same breath claim that it is unsavoury for different groups to compete
for the title of 'Most-Persecuted'.

Now, that addresses LemonVariable's self-contradiction;

But since you've jumped in with your two cents, Pool,
let me pose you a different question:

Do you consider the "Black Lives Matter"  movement as "whining"?

or does it absolutely have legitimacy, given how black people are still treated today?

Or what about LGBT Pride?

Lots of people accuse them of whining, too.

(January 10, 2016 at 11:47 am)MTL Wrote:

(January 10, 2016 at 10:56 am)pool Wrote: home run

edit;
I don't mean to offend, but some women seriously need to get rid of this victim complex of theirs.

I acknowledged that my post was poorly-phrased,
I am actually annoyed with myself because it conveyed the exact opposite
of what I was endeavoring to say.

I don't mind if people disagree with me,
but I don't like being misunderstood,
and I hate when it is my own fault,
which it is, in this case.

I actually agree with LemonVariable insofar it should NEVER become a contest
as to which group suffers more;

there is no excuse for ignorance, stereotyping, or stigmatizing, ANYWHERE.

However, both you and LemonVariable are guilty of labeling feminism as "victims"

No I said they vicitmize other women, which they do, go read the huge amount of feminist rhetoric is claiming women are victims of "insert here". It is fucking infantilizing, as many of the women I know are just as capable adults as men.

Quote:It is one thing if he wants to criticize me for sounding like I am starting a competition to see who is the most oppressed; that is valid.

and that was litterally how you opened up

Quote:But for him, or you, to turn around and say that feminists need to stop whining and playing the victim card
is unacceptable;

But they are, especially with domestic abuse stats. Ex http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/20...03-eng.htm
Now name one feminist with a popular following that has addressed the fact that those stats are very evenly spread. You probably won't find one as in canada even groups like cafe are barred from speaking by feminists.

Quote:This is self-contradictory for LemonVariable to draw attention to how Autistic people are stigmatized,
yet call feminists victims.

No its not. name one group, let alone one as large as feminism is as a movement campaigning for the right of people with autism? Name one. I for one am not advocating for how we portrayed in tv (although the fact that big theory is considered socially acceptable pisses me off) I advocate for my right not to be thrown out of college when they find out what I have (Yes that happened to me) or to spend 10 years on fucking ritalin because I was mis-diagnosed. Then you have feminist like anita sarkeeisian getting up at the fucking UN and talk about how women are victims because of how their portrayed in video games. It is as absurd as a mra complaining about how a ken doll portrays men. 

Quote:Women are still paid less than men,

Utter bullshit, that has been debunked agian and agian
Here is an article from time, written by a well known feminist addressing that very topic

Quote:still oppressed in many parts of the world,

That is true, however I have yet to see how feminism in the western world is able to provide solutions for this. Futhermore many feminists online have been actively defending islam, arguably the most sexist ideology in the modern world.

Quote:still having their genitals mutilated,

While true, this is typically happening in countries where western feminists are basically laughed out of the room, So again I fail to see how western feminism can deal with this, especially how when these activities are carried out in western countries, they perpeturators are swiftly presecuted and scorned. (When report obviously). Also nearly 50% of young boys have they gentelia mutilated as part of circumision. 

Quote:and right here, in North America, we also face a growing problem of human trafficking of young women;

that is addressed in a interesting manner in the time article I linked. Eitherway trafficking anyone is a problem,

Quote:...yet he wants to dismiss any feminists as "victims",
while holding up Autistic people as unfairly persecuted

I don't want to dismiss feminists at all. What I want is for them to cut all this "woa is me" bullshit and focus on real issues before the movement is discredited entirely. Its not me me really that is dismissing them as victims, it is their own rhetoric, I see more sexism out of people like Zoey quinn and anita sarkeeisian then most people on the internet. How they potray women is patronizing and infantilizing. Especially when women that disagree speak up. 

Quote:...and in the same breath claim that it is unsavoury for different groups to compete
for the title of 'Most-Persecuted'.

No just a stupid fucking waste of the time. But since you dove in with the opening line "Women have been oppressed since the dawn of time"  and keep rattling on about how women are oppressed, you keep this going, and you pissed me off a little spouting things like we need feminism because of how women are potrayed on tv. Mean while we get thrown out of colleges. I am sorry if this seems self contradictioning, but this is because you were being very dismissive.

Quote:Now, that addresses LemonVariable's self-contradiction;

But since you've jumped in with your two cents, Pool,
let me pose you a different question:

Do you consider the "Black Lives Matter"  movement as "whining"?

Some of them are, like those fucks that made that song called "fuck, paris" but the majority I have read are campaigning so they might live in a world some day where they don't have to worry about being shot by some racist pig cop. 

Quote:or does it absolutely have legitimacy, given how black people are still treated today?

Given that we have hard evidence of unequal treatment of black people in the justice system (one example) It absolutely has legitimancy. 

Quote:Or what about LGBT Pride?

No considering the vast majority of campaigning for gays has been to stop teens frim being thrown out and to allow them to get married like eberyone else I hardly call it whining

Quote:Lots of people accuse them of whining, too.

and lots of people are fucking stupid[/quote]

(January 9, 2016 at 6:08 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(January 9, 2016 at 3:09 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You might feel differently if those things were considered disorders and highly stigmatized.

Just sayin'.

People with autism are stigmatized to the point where we have a prime time hit TV show dedicated to making fun of us.

Isn't this a "woe is me" attitude right there? You see this in feminism but not in this quote?

(January 10, 2016 at 11:47 am)MTL Wrote:

(January 10, 2016 at 10:56 am)pool Wrote: home run

edit;
I don't mean to offend, but some women seriously need to get rid of this victim complex of theirs.

I acknowledged that my post was poorly-phrased,
I am actually annoyed with myself because it conveyed the exact opposite
of what I was endeavoring to say.

I don't mind if people disagree with me,
but I don't like being misunderstood,
and I hate when it is my own fault,
which it is, in this case.

I actually agree with LemonVariable insofar it should NEVER become a contest
as to which group suffers more;

there is no excuse for ignorance, stereotyping, or stigmatizing, ANYWHERE.

However, both you and LemonVariable are guilty of labeling feminism as "victims".

It is one thing if he wants to criticize me for sounding like I am starting a competition to see who is the most oppressed; that is valid.

But for him, or you, to turn around and say that feminists need to stop whining and playing the victim card
is unacceptable;

This is self-contradictory for LemonVariable to draw attention to how Autistic people are stigmatized,
yet call feminists victims.

Women are still paid less than men,
still oppressed in many parts of the world,
still having their genitals mutilated,
and right here, in North America, we also face a growing problem of human trafficking of young women;

...yet he wants to dismiss any feminists as "victims",
while holding up Autistic people as unfairly persecuted

Yep, although never diagnosed, I suspect I have Asperger's myself, and life can get quite unfair for me given that this social world was "made" best for "neurotypicals", but I can simultaneously accept that women still have it pretty bad compared to men. Like you say, we should all be in this together rather than opposing each other.

(January 10, 2016 at 5:24 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(January 9, 2016 at 6:08 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: People with autism are stigmatized to the point where we have a prime time hit TV show dedicated to making fun of us.

Isn't this a "woe is me" attitude right there? You see this in feminism but not in this quote?

Yes, I do. However it is true. When was the last time you watched a show dedicated to making fun of women?

(January 10, 2016 at 5:43 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(January 10, 2016 at 5:24 pm)Irrational Wrote: Isn't this a "woe is me" attitude right there? You see this in feminism but not in this quote?

Yes, I do. However it is true. When was the last time you watched a show dedicated to making fun of women?

I don't watch too many shows tbh. But what show were you referring to exactly? And what constitutes a show making fun of people with autism? I will see if the same criteria you use can be applied to other shows regarding women.

(January 10, 2016 at 5:55 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(January 10, 2016 at 5:43 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Yes, I do. However it is true. When was the last time you watched a show dedicated to making fun of women?

I don't watch too many shows tbh. But what show were you referring to exactly? And what constitutes a show making fun of people with autism? I will see if the same criteria you use can be applied to other shows regarding women.

Really? I thought you said you didn't what this who is more oppressed bullcrap. Any the show I'm talking about is the big bang theory. 5 of the main characters show definite signs of aspergers and the whole show is dedicated to laughing at them. Anyway this was one quite insignificant part of what I said, and would prefer notnto dwell on this.

(January 10, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(January 10, 2016 at 5:55 pm)Irrational Wrote: I don't watch too many shows tbh. But what show were you referring to exactly? And what constitutes a show making fun of people with autism? I will see if the same criteria you use can be applied to other shows regarding women.

Really? I thought you said you didn't what this who is more oppressed bullcrap.  Any the show I'm talking about is the big bang theory. 5 of the main characters show definite signs of aspergers and the whole show is dedicated to laughing at them. Anyway this was one quite insignificant part of what I said, and would prefer notnto dwell on this.

Ok, let's not dwell on that bit. So it's understandably rough having autism. What is your social life like as someone with autism? How mistreated do you feel by others because of your autism?

(January 10, 2016 at 6:21 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(January 10, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Really? I thought you said you didn't what this who is more oppressed bullcrap.  Any the show I'm talking about is the big bang theory. 5 of the main characters show definite signs of aspergers and the whole show is dedicated to laughing at them. Anyway this was one quite insignificant part of what I said, and would prefer notnto dwell on this.

Ok, let's not dwell on that bit. So it's understandably rough having autism. What is your social life like as someone with autism? How mistreated do you feel by others because of your autism?

I don't feel mistreated now. But there was times where it was really bad in the past. For example at cadet camp when I was 16 I had big woman grab my dick on the bus because she thought it be a funny joke. I had one job last year where my manager found out and did everything in here power to get me fired after my friend complained about another employee telling customers I was mentally handicapped. So I'm sorry if I popped off a little on this thread, just the first comment from mtl really irked me.

(January 10, 2016 at 7:55 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(January 10, 2016 at 6:21 pm)Irrational Wrote: Ok, let's not dwell on that bit. So it's understandably rough having autism. What is your social life like as someone with autism? How mistreated do you feel by others because of your autism?

I don't feel mistreated now. But there was times where it was really bad in the past. For example at cadet camp when I was 16 I had big woman grab my dick on the bus because she thought it be a funny joke. I had one job last year where my manager found out and did everything in here power to get me fired after my friend complained about another employee telling customers I was mentally handicapped. So I'm sorry if I popped off a little on this thread, just the first comment from mtl really irked me.

Wow, that's a shitty thing what both the woman on the bus and the manager did to you. Fuck, I don't think I personally had it that bad, but sometimes I just feel quite lonely while trying to socialize with people. People around me seem to know how to say things certain ways and express themselves properly. For me, it's like I need some guidance on how to manage myself that flexibly in the social world.