(March 1, 2016 at 12:08 pm)loganonekenobi Wrote:

(March 1, 2016 at 10:14 am)Drich Wrote: My thoughts on the subject of morality are to try and get some of you to think outside the little boxes your 'morality' has placed you in. I want to show you how it has you hand over the controls of all aspects of your life, even how you think, to someone else/society if they challenge your morality in the correct context.

I am trying to show you, your chains so you can free your mind.

Describe the box I am thinking inside of (so as to see it) describe the chains that bind my mind (so as to try to free them)  
You must understand that in general the religious tend to adhere to these boxes and chains as compared to the non religious.
Also you must be aware that non believers are constantly bombarded with any and all tactics to get us "back to Jesus" as it were. So unfortunatly your message of "free you mind" is difficult to believe when it is a religious source.  
I will try but you do see the problem.

I see the problem. You are working for a religious stereotype based on the roman catholic religion, and you have never bothered to verify that Biblical Christianity indeed followed that religion. So you 'think' Biblical Christianity is about following rules, but that would be the furthest thing from the 2000 year old truth.

As far as showing you guys the box I drew parallels between today's society and Nazi Germany. as soon as I did you all blocked everything out as a 'Godwin.'

The point I was making had nothing to do with the 'godwin' arguement. I was trying to show how popular morality without an absolute standard to work as a point of reference can twist one's value system so much they cease seeing evil for what it is.

I illustrated this by the typical nazi response when questioned about the 'morality' of genocide. None of them saw themselves as being evil, matter of fact they were lead to believe that it was their moral duty for their country to round up and then exterminate the jews. Why? because the first thing Hitler did was cut ties from the church and set up his own version of it to control Nazi german 'morality.'

Rather than the goverment who cuts ties from God, we as a pop culture cut ties from God and the net result is the same. 'morality' is redefined. It fools those who make up the pop culture that because it has such sharp and well defined definations concerning right and wrong it/pop morality has evolved into the superior sense of right and wrong that no one can question. So the 'self righteous' (those who seek righteousness apart from God) flock to this standard because it offers the illusion of freedom in exchange for your total allegiance.. Just like the German's "advanced practices of morality" did.

In essence Pop Morality becomes or replaces the authority and deity of God, in that it is rarely if ever questioned. Just look at how you "good" people went for the jugular with me when I began to question the 'unforgivable sins' of pop morality. So then if Pop morality changes in a way you do not agree, your 'morality' falls into question and depending on the severity of your objection, Society has the right to remove your status as a human being... (Just like the Germans did.) And can treat you as harshly as currently accepted. So then compliance to pop morality is a mandate or one (for now) is treated like a lower form of life. But, how long before we follow the path the Nazi's went down themselves?

If you do not think this to be the case then protest a gay wedding or file a law suit against a gay couple trying to adopt.

That's why I asked in the beginning of this thread, what happens when man's lust for the taboo pushes past homosexuality and the 'new thing' is sex with Children? Then I asked what if science proves sex with a child as young as 10 will cause no harm, and science is also tapped to provide a gene that predisposes a percentage of the population to pedophilia. Following the same exact course Homosexuality took to find its 'morality' in pop culture. Where will you stand when our 'morality' seeks to claim the innocence of the next generation?? Will you stand with what is moral and immoral now? or will you hand control of your mind over to the mindless mob and their sense of future morality???

Understand all the same old arguments you all use against Christianity today will be marched back out to defend pedophilia then.

If you do not have a unchanging standard, then what grounds do you have in not changing your morality to fit whatever pop culture demands??

(March 1, 2016 at 1:17 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I find it quite ironic that someone who's thinking is firmly constrained by iron age philosophy is accusing anyone of thinking inside the box.

It would be truly hysterical if it wasn't so sad.

It's not sadness you feel. That feeling is called self righteousness. See what I wrote to Serak.

(March 1, 2016 at 2:25 pm)abaris Wrote:

(February 29, 2016 at 3:13 pm)Drich Wrote: What I am saying is 'we' with out God can not reliably identify Good or Bad. We see as 'good' to be something that benefits us. we see Bad as something harmful. However we can not see long term effects so we judge 'good and bad' on what we 'feel' the results of an action are right away. Rather than being to determine 'good or bad' on a larger long term scale.

That says a whole lot more about yourself than you probably wanted to admit. And it says a whole lot more about your kind of morality than it says about religious values.

Again, Dr. Fraud, please explain..

Quote:So, if there wasn't a god in your believes, you would be a selfish prick.

At the time I started this belief I did not know God. It was late 80's early 90's and their was alot of racial tension and an over whelming sense of entitlement in the air then. This argument is how I dealt with those looking to vent their entitlement issues.

Quote:Only looking for your own benefit. I'm not surprised and I've heard that a lot from some theists. They don't admit it, of course, but the reasoning is always the same. If there wasn't god, we would act in an entirely selfish way. One even went as far, can't remember who it was, to say that it's the only thing preventing him from going on a crime spree.

ooo ooo I know that was me!

I am either the super hero type or the super villain type, their is no middle ground. As most Christians understand 'we' are not basically good people. That is why most of us are in church, because we know we need redemption.

(March 1, 2016 at 3:33 pm)Drich Wrote: Again, Dr. Fraud, please explain..

I thought I did, in presenting you with examples.

It's always the same with some of you. Not all, to be clear. Your major talking point is, without god's rulebook, we turn into selfish pricks. Which I find quite telling, since there's obviously some inner compulsion to be just that.

Same as with gay being a choice. And don't return with the truck driver story, if you please.

Drich Wrote:If you do not have a unchanging standard, then what grounds do you have in not changing your morality to fit whatever pop culture demands??

I'd be surprised if the Pharisees didn't ask some version of this question to Jesus.

(March 1, 2016 at 2:52 pm)Drich Wrote: Straw man sport. I didn't say they were only entitled to the life i described. do you see how you had to quote me mid sentence to make your point? If you have to cut and paste little bits and pieces together inorder to create a narrative you want or think you can argue, then know you failed right from the start because you created a straw man fallacy.

You really need to learn what that term means if you're going to fling it around.  I didn't have to cut and paste bits and pieces of your shit together...and anyone who wants to verify that can look at your retarded post.  Is there any level on which you're not a complete asshole?

(March 1, 2016 at 3:52 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

Drich Wrote:If you do not have a unchanging standard, then what grounds do you have in not changing your morality to fit whatever pop culture demands??

I'd be surprised if the Pharisees didn't ask some version of this question to Jesus.

Actually the reverse was true. Jesus Pointed out to the Pharisees that their 'pop morality' had changed them so much they were no longer able too identify God in their mist. It what got Jesus Killed.

(March 1, 2016 at 3:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 1, 2016 at 1:17 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I find it quite ironic that someone who's thinking is firmly constrained by iron age philosophy is accusing anyone of thinking inside the box.

It would be truly hysterical if it wasn't so sad.

It's not sadness you feel. That feeling is called self righteousness. See what I wrote to Serak.

(March 1, 2016 at 4:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(March 1, 2016 at 2:52 pm)Drich Wrote: Straw man sport. I didn't say they were only entitled to the life i described. do you see how you had to quote me mid sentence to make your point? If you have to cut and paste little bits and pieces together inorder to create a narrative you want or think you can argue, then know you failed right from the start because you created a straw man fallacy.

You really need to learn what that term means if you're going to fling it around.  I didn't have to cut and paste bits and pieces of your shit together...and anyone who wants to verify that can look at your retarded post.  Is there any level on which you're not a complete asshole?

Then again, show me where I said 'farmers were only entitled to the life I described.' i said nothing of the sort. You took 1/2 a sentence and created a whole new narrative with your sentence fragment, and argued against your own narritive. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT!!!

Wasn't it your sinning and gods plan that got jesus killed? You're really gonna blame gods plan on the pharisees?

I don't feel like playing the game with you as regards the above, atm..I'll just tell people (yourself included) to go back and take a look at those posts to see how they took your comments. It's not as if they disappeared from the boards. That you momentarily find your shame, from time to time, and reel against your own asshattery is your own problem.