(February 27, 2016 at 2:06 pm)dyresand Wrote: For a fictional character he is not very smart or all loving and he is lazy. He is the most loved character to mankind and let's talk about him
Starting with genesis..


Day 1: The heavens, the earth, light and darkness.
Day 2: Heaven

Day 2 Sky/Atmosphere

Quote:Day 3: Dry land, the seas, and vegetation.

If you Read Genesis 2 you will also note all of what is explained starting at verse 4 forward happened on day 4 Meaning the whole garden/man made in the image of God happened on this day as well.

Quote:Day 4: The sun, the moon and the stars.
Day 5: Living creatures in the water, birds in the air.
Day 6: Land animals and people.
Day 7: God "rested".



source "http://www.missiontoamerica.org/genesis/days-of-creation.html"

Quote:So he creates vegetation before creating the sun for a all knowing being he sure is not very smart. So let's be honest if god is all knowing 

Oh, my glob... So in ALL of your 'scientific' reasoning.. you posit that Plants can not live with out the sun?

Maybe it's not your fault, maybe it's not the school system's fault.. Maybe it's all the super strong HYDROPONICALLY Grown Weed you killed you brain with that has made you this way... (which I guess is still technically your fault)

Anyway, Are you familiar with that term? "Hydroponics?" If not google it but first make sure your sitting down because it's, plants... Growing In Light.... That is not the sun. And... They Do Much Much Better in hydroponic light!!! Almost as if they were designed/evolved under a different light source.

Did you hear that? They grow in Light but not the sun's light... The Same Kind Of Light God Made On The FIRST DAY!

Quote:he is lazy and let's shit happen. Garden of eden he could have prevented the fall of man, but chose not to. So god of the bible has as supposed
plan i mean why hasn't the fucker already willed his plan into completion i mean  it would just be a huge waste of time and all just sitting back watching shit just happen. I mean get this why would Satan waste his time trying to fight a battle or war he  simply could not win. I mean god is all powerful he sure isn't very smart and he is very lazy also a lair he gotten people  killed also violated free will.

are you 13? Have you considered like with the above creation of light/plants that you might just be missing a ton of incite and have made terrible errors in how you perceive what God has and has not done?

(March 2, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 27, 2016 at 2:06 pm)dyresand Wrote: For a fictional character he is not very smart or all loving and he is lazy. He is the most loved character to mankind and let's talk about him
Starting with genesis..


Day 1: The heavens, the earth, light and darkness.
Day 2: Heaven

Day 2 Sky/Atmosphere

Quote:Day 3: Dry land, the seas, and vegetation.

If you Read Genesis 2 you will also note all of what is explained starting at verse 4 forward happened on day 4 Meaning the whole garden/man made in the image of God happened on this day as well.

Quote:Day 4: The sun, the moon and the stars.
Day 5: Living creatures in the water, birds in the air.
Day 6: Land animals and people.
Day 7: God "rested".



source "http://www.missiontoamerica.org/genesis/days-of-creation.html"

Quote:So he creates vegetation before creating the sun for a all knowing being he sure is not very smart. So let's be honest if god is all knowing 

Oh, my glob... So in ALL of your 'scientific' reasoning.. you posit that Plants can not live with out the sun?

Maybe it's not your fault, maybe it's not the school system's fault.. Maybe it's all the super strong HYDROPONICALLY Grown Weed you killed you brain with that has made you this way... (which I guess is still technically your fault)

Anyway, Are you familiar with that term? "Hydroponics?" If not google it but first make sure your sitting down because it's, plants... Growing In Light.... That is not the sun. And... They Do Much Much Better in hydroponic light!!! Almost as if they were designed/evolved under a different light source.

Did you hear that? They grow in Light but not the sun's light... The Same Kind Of Light God Made On The FIRST DAY!

Quote:he is lazy and let's shit happen. Garden of eden he could have prevented the fall of man, but chose not to. So god of the bible has as supposed
plan i mean why hasn't the fucker already willed his plan into completion i mean  it would just be a huge waste of time and all just sitting back watching shit just happen. I mean get this why would Satan waste his time trying to fight a battle or war he  simply could not win. I mean god is all powerful he sure isn't very smart and he is very lazy also a lair he gotten people  killed also violated free will.

are you 13? Have you considered like with the above creation of light/plants that you might just be missing a ton of incite and have made terrible errors in how you perceive what God has and has not done?

1. Okay then?

2. Then what's  the point of genesis 1? If gensis 2 is correct remove genesis 1. 

3. Did you just reference Adventure time..., Plants  need the sun plants need light there is types of planets
I.E. fungus that doesn't need light only a dark area that is damp. 

4. No read the bible god is clearly lazy and let's shit happen. His plan the divine plan he wants can be 
completed at any moment he wishes yet doesn't complete it himself. The fact being god want's  some
epic war with the devil in the bible  knows he can win at anytime he pleases the devil isn't all powerful or all knowing. 
god being the creator  of everything knows what is going to happen and when it is going to happen and let's
bad things happen when he already knows what will happen. Again all powerful let's bad shit happen and lies 
about free will because  he is only giving the illusion of free will.

You are either putting on the facade as a POE or you really do believe the bible. In which case i really doubt you believe
the bible to be true. You are really just a POE.

(March 2, 2016 at 1:50 pm)dyresand Wrote: 2. Then what's  the point of genesis 1? If gensis 2 is correct remove genesis 1. 

Read the following carfully:
Genesis 2 ALL HAPPENED ON DAY 3!!! That means your out line in incorrect. Genesis 2 describes the creation/completeion of the Garden and everything in chapter two describes just what was created in the Garden, between Day 3 and Day 4.

Quote:3. Did you just reference Adventure time...,

What the cabbage??? how old are you really? If you are a younger person I could take more time to explain things.

Quote:Plants  need the sun plants need light there is types of planets
I.E. fungus that doesn't need light only a dark area that is damp. 

I asked you to google the word hydroponics. In Hydroponics Grow lights are often used to germinate and grow plants in light other than sun light. Do you understand? People are growing plants in places where their is no sun light. This means plants do not need the Sun to grow. That means you whole objection about plants coming before the sun is a fool's rant. Why? Because light (what is needed for plants to grow) was created on the first day..

Seems to me the bible has a far better understanding of 'science' than you do

Quote:4. No read the bible god is clearly lazy and let's shit happen. His plan the divine plan he wants can be 
completed at any moment he wishes yet doesn't complete it himself.

what makes you think God's plan isn't complete?

Quote: The fact being god want's  some
epic war with the devil in the bible  knows he can win at anytime he pleases the devil isn't all powerful or all knowing. 

Lol, no. their will be no war against the devil. The Devil serves God. Read the book of Job.
You are getting too much greek mythology mix in to your christianity. Or you have gotten lost in Catholicism and all of the different stories they have to tell. Just know the vast majority of Catholicism does not come from the bible. What I talk about/my answers about God only come from the bible. That is why they are so vastly different than what you understand.

Quote:god being the creator  of everything knows what is going to happen and when it is going to happen and let's
bad things happen when he already knows what will happen.

Bad things for who? You?

what makes them bad?

you don't like them?

Ok then who gave you the authority to judge a 'bad thing?'

Let's say you were struggling with money and lost your job, lost your house, your wife left, and this is what needed to happen for you to go back to school get educated, then you get a decent job, and you live the rest of your life in happiness. Now looking at the long term picture was loosing your job in the beginning a 'bad thing?' To an honest man from the proper perspective the answer is no. Loosing your job was the forced turning point you needed to get your life back on track.

Now take that same perspective and apply it to an eternal life. Lets say your kid had cancer, and died, or you lost everything in a fire, or any number of things that make people question their faith, determine with all honesty their isn't any deity in what you believe and move on. But as you move through life towards the end you come across the way God wants you to approach Him and you do, and you truly find God. You then die and live with God for eternity. Where then, the 'bad things' you experienced truly bad?

Christ talks about this in the parable of the wise and foolish builders if you want to hear more.

Quote: Again all powerful let's bad shit happen and lies 
about free will because  he is only giving the illusion of free will.

God nor the bible EVER mentions free will. God, Jesus Peter Paul Everyone from a biblical perspective says you are a slave. a slave to sin or a slave to God.
"Come unto me for my work is easy and my yoke is light."

Quote:You are either putting on the facade as a POE or you  really do believe the bible. In which case i really doubt you believe
the bible to be true. You are really just a POE.

I'm not a poe, You just never really understood God, Christianity, or faith outside of your particular exposure to the church.

Ignorance is strength, Poe Drippy! Your mental gymnastics are astounding, they have your mind so knotted up it would be hard to believe you can function at all.

If your brain wasn't tied up in the knots which protect your ignorance, then you would have considered why your god would want to create a sun when his own radiant luminosity is so bright that he can make the plants grow - in that case we should be seeing god's bright ass in the sky today instead of a flaming globe of gas...oh, never mind that!

Oh, but Adam sinned, and then god walked away, but that was after god decided to create the sun, so why would he do that then? If god has turned away, then how can he still be omnipresent in our universe? Oh, but never mind that, because god already explained to Moses that if he showed him his glorious face, it would kill the little humans.

So god's light kills animals, but plants don't dry up and die in it? You do have a very complex web of excuses to fill every crack, crevass and ravine in your arguments...very impressive (not)!

Quote:You are really just a POE.

No, no.  Drippy is many things but not a POE.

He has long since convinced me that he is just an idiot.

(March 3, 2016 at 11:20 am)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Ignorance is strength, Poe Drippy! Your mental gymnastics are astounding, they have your mind so knotted up it would be hard to believe you can function at all.

If your brain wasn't tied up in the knots which protect your ignorance, then you would have considered why your god would want to create a sun when his own radiant luminosity is so bright that he can make the plants grow - in that case we should be seeing god's bright ass in the sky today instead of a flaming globe of gas...oh, never mind that!

with this level of pomp and presumption you would think you would be able to bring some next level discussion to the table. but no you answer you own question (sort of) with this mess:

Quote:Oh, but Adam sinned, and then god walked away, but that was after god decided to create the sun, so why would he do that then? If god has turned away, then how can he still be omnipresent in our universe? Oh, but never mind that, because god already explained to Moses that if he showed him his glorious face, it would kill the little humans.
So god's light kills animals, but plants don't dry up and die in it? You do have a very complex web of excuses to fill every crack, crevass and ravine in your arguments...very impressive (not)!

You do understand God is a title and not a name?
As In God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Correct???

As such the three unique deities that make up the one God, have different aspects to them. They are not the same being.

Did you also know the radiance of God was called by the Jews The "Shikinna Glory" of God. The Shikinna radiates from the Father and even those who have been in the presents of the Father. This is the same super bright Radiant light described in the Book of Revelation that surrounds the city of Heaven. No sun, no stars in Genesis 1:1 means the Light produced that first Day radiated From the Father.

After the 6th Day God the Father/creator stepped back. It says this clearly in the text of genesis 1. So what then is your objection? Or are you arguing something you have not even bothered to read?

That sound of tittering you hear are the millions of school children worldwide who understand more about the formation of our solar system than the author(s) of Genesis did or that Drich -- 21st Century man that he is -- does. I give the author(s) of Genesis a pass. Their ignorance of such things is understandable and was shared by all of their contemporaries. Drich has no such excuse and just further demonstrates the pathetic degree to which his slavish belief in his "holy book" has driven him to the point of self-assured idiocy.

Yet he presumes to lecture anyone about science. What a fucking joke.

(March 3, 2016 at 1:08 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: That sound of tittering you hear are the millions of school children worldwide who understand more about the formation of our solar system than the author(s) of Genesis did or that Drich -- 21st Century man that he is -- does.  I give the author(s) of Genesis a pass. Their ignorance of such things is understandable and was shared by all of their contemporaries. Drich has no such excuse and just further demonstrates the pathetic degree to which his slavish belief in his "holy book" has driven him to the point of self-assured idiocy.

Yet he presumes to lecture anyone about science. What a fucking joke.

So... Allllllll this talk about science and you can't produce one instance, one scrap of 'evidence' to support this big wordy claim.. Hmmm, I guess to you when someone make an ad Hom assertion and backs it with nothing, you just blindly follow.. Or rather that is what your expecting those who read your post to do.

Bear in mind this is in direct contrast to my observation which cited actual science and a whole industrial practice (of Growing plants with out sun light) to refute the old atheist pillar argument that is supposed to pit God against 'grade school science/common sense.' which dry sand used in the OP.

Can you wrap your mind around why/how my statement; "The bible has a better understanding of 'science' than most of you do?" is supported by the evidence that I left concerning grow lights and subsequent plant growth. Is Indeed validated through 'science.' where as your personal attacks (ironically enough/because you are supposed to be on the side of science,) do not quote or reference any evidence to support your claims Of my "idiocy." rather you speak to stereotypes and atheistic prejudiced against christianity to rally support.


"Oooga-booga all christian, stoo-ped. they not know science. oooga-booga we decendant from common ape ancestor, we is science. Oooo Oooo they can not know science like we know science, Dey all sheep."

Without evidence sport all your eloquence, spit and shine amounts to little more than monkey man rantings.

You want to 'take science away from me' then use it. Definitively Show me how I am wrong.

Or do you have another monkey man rant for me?

(February 27, 2016 at 10:42 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(February 27, 2016 at 9:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah.... if you don't mind poison in your water, pollution in your air and worms in your meat?

I think you missed the part about needing "more indians."

Private industry will do it better and cheaper!

There it is, Folks - if you thought atheists are all particularly intellectual or in any way brainy, this proves it just isn't so!

(March 3, 2016 at 12:24 pm)Drich Wrote: with this level of pomp and presumption you would think you would be able to bring some next level discussion to the table. but no you answer you own question (sort of) with this mess:

Quote:Oh, but Adam sinned, and then god walked away, but that was after god decided to create the sun, so why would he do that then? If god has turned away, then how can he still be omnipresent in our universe? Oh, but never mind that, because god already explained to Moses that if he showed him his glorious face, it would kill the little humans.
So god's light kills animals, but plants don't dry up and die in it? You do have a very complex web of excuses to fill every crack, crevass and ravine in your arguments...very impressive (not)!

Well you know that with pomp and presumption, there's never any real material.
As for you, there are very good reasons why we call you Drippy, see below:

Quote:You do understand God is a title and not a name?
As In God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Correct???

As such the three unique deities that make up the one God, have different aspects to them. They are not the same being.

Did you also know the radiance of God was called by the Jews The "Shikinna Glory" of God. The Shikinna radiates from the Father and even those who have been in the presents of the Father. This is the same super bright Radiant light described in the Book of Revelation that surrounds the city of Heaven. No sun, no stars in Genesis 1:1 means the Light produced that first Day radiated From the Father.

After the 6th Day God the Father/creator stepped back. It says this clearly in the text of genesis 1. So what then is your objection? Or are you arguing something you have not even bothered to read?