Let's talk about... yaweh

[Drich]

What I am saying is on Day 3 (per Gen 2:8) everything in Gen2 following verse 8 happens on day 3 in the garden alone. Genesis 2 for the most part is a separate garden account. It only covers the completion of the garden and everything in it on day three. The garden was a separate creation from the rest of creation.

And what I am saying is that the text clearly indicates you are wrong.

Genesis 2:19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky.

Notice this is past tense; had formed.

Genesis 1:23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.  24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. ... 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”  27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. ... 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Genesis 1:23-31 clearly says that these events occurred on the sixth day, so they couldn't have occurred on day 3.

I understand what you think.

You think Genesis 1 and 2 are a chronological account of creation. That the events in gen1 Should precede the events in gen 2.

this is incorrect.

Gen1 is a total creation out line from day 1 to 7 that explains the creation narrative for everything except what goes on in the garden. Genesis 1-4 explains day 7 which should technically be apart of Chapter 1.

Gen 2:4-7 Explains everything after verse 7 happened on day three before plants and rain.

4 This is the history[a] of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...rsion=NKJV

So after creation of man, still on day three God creates everything verse 8 and forward of Gen 2, apart from everything else in Chapter 1.

 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (on through the end of the chapter.)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...rsion=NKJV
In the Jewish literary style of that day it was common practice to give an over view of the main events first then come back like chapter two does and put a pin between two events and fill in detail.

That is what chapter two is. It is a detailed account of how the Garden was created separate from the rest of the world.

If you disagree please take the time to explain what you think my position is, and how it is wrong.

[drfuzzy]

What a mess.  One would think an actual deity would write a book that people wouldn't need to argue over - if it was holy at all, then it would be clear to all. Instead, people argue over the meaning and sequence of hundreds of contradictions included in the ridiculous tome.  

And since anyone with two brain cells to talk to each other knows that the Creation Story is an absurd myth (no matter how that terribly confused, badly-written book of lies describes it) - - why bother?  I mean, the damn book isn't worth lining a cat litter pan with.  And any creatard is going to try to tell us that the creation myth is real history, no matter what proof they are given.  Gawd himself could come down and tell them it's just a story, and they would crucify him for blasphemy.

[Angrboda]

If you disagree please take the time to explain what you think my position is, and how it is wrong.

Been there, done that. If quoting the passages themselves doesn't show you why Genesis 2 couldn't have happened on the third day, then I don't know what will.

[Drich]

If you disagree please take the time to explain what you think my position is, and how it is wrong.

Been there, done that.  If quoting the passages themselves doesn't show you why Genesis 2 couldn't have happened on the third day, then I don't know what will.

What I am asking for is for you to explain verse 4-8. 4-8 Tell us this all (the rest of Gen 2) happened on the third day before the rains, before any of the seeds on the whole earth took root. God created Man, The Garden and Eve apart from the rest of creation. In that the Garden is special. a preserve that God treats differently than the rest of the planet. that it was on an accelerated track, and was made separately and kept from the rest of creation.

[Angrboda]

Been there, done that.  If quoting the passages themselves doesn't show you why Genesis 2 couldn't have happened on the third day, then I don't know what will.

What I am asking for is for you to explain verse 4-8. 4-8 Tell us this all (the rest of Gen 2) happened on the third day before the rains, before any of the seeds on the whole earth took root. God created Man, The Garden and Eve apart from the rest of creation. In that the Garden is special. a preserve that God treats differently than the rest of the planet. that it was on an accelerated track, and was made separately and kept from the rest of creation.

You're definitely on crack.  You're reading things into the text that aren't remotely there and ignoring the obvious.

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. (Not the garden of Eden, the heavens and the earth.)

5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[d] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

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Note the paralellism, 'now' God did this, 'now' God did that.  It's clearly a sequential list of God's actions. What time is it in verse 19?  The sixth day.

[Angrboda]

Helloooo? Drich? Did you get lost?

[robvalue]

Apparently you have to have someone around who knows what the book means, to tell you. Just reading it will never work. So I don't know what the point of it is at all.

Why doesn't god write another book, that says what he meant to say in the first place?