(March 26, 2016 at 12:49 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 26, 2016 at 12:00 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: Can you provide us with any examples of when you prayed and it didn't work, GC?

That is the way it works, focus on the hits, ignore any real natural explanations, gap fill, ignore all the times it didn't work, and ignore all the other billions of humans who don't get so lucky.

Once, I prayed for the off-license to be open. It worked.

Soon after, I began to feel a great warmth suffusing my body. It felt amazing. I went around just so filled with love that I was telling everyone I met how much I loved them. All the women looked beautiful to me. I even became a fantastic singer.

(March 26, 2016 at 12:00 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote:

(March 25, 2016 at 11:42 pm)Godschild Wrote:  Sorry bubba, but I've seen answered prayer over and over and there is nothing as heart warming as to see God's power released through answered prayer. Just because you haven't experienced answered prayer doesn't mean it doesn't happen. No matter how badly you want God not to be real it want help.

GC

Can you provide us with any examples of when you prayed and it didn't work, GC?

I've always got an answer even if it wasn't the one I was hoping for, I'm still waiting on some in time they will bw answered

GC

(March 26, 2016 at 10:50 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 25, 2016 at 11:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: You have to learn how and what to pray, the scriptures teach us these things, did you study about prayer? Did you just go and ask God for things. Were you ready for an answer, whether it be yes or no? Did you pray within God's will? Were you in a good relationship with God when you prayed?

GC

Siri comes with a bullshit translator, 

Siri, translate "You have to learn how to pray"

Quote Siri, " I want to believe it works so badly and I ignore all the other god claims and their prayers to their god/s and the fact that 50 million humans die worldwide every year."

Yea you pray, so what. Other people pray to Allah, others to Yahweh, others to Hindu god/s others to Buddha. So what.

Nope, this is appeal to emotion and your own brain falling for your own flawed perceptions.

What does 50 million deaths have to do with anything, except to help keep the world from becoming over crowded in just a short time. I pray to Yahweh, but then I guess you didn't realize Yahweh is the God of creation, the God of the Jews and the God of Christians. No wonder you have trouble arguing against Christians.
You need to bring proof that my believing in answered prayer is an appeal to emotion and that my perception is flawed.

GC

(March 26, 2016 at 9:38 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 25, 2016 at 11:42 pm)Godschild Wrote:  Sorry bubba, but I've seen answered prayer over and over and there is nothing as heart warming as to see God's power released through answered prayer. Just because you haven't experienced answered prayer doesn't mean it doesn't happen. No matter how badly you want God not to be real it want help.

GC

Would you please provide us with an example of "answered prayer"?

My salvation, becoming a deacon, people being taken before they suffered from their illness and ect.

GC

(March 26, 2016 at 9:36 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 25, 2016 at 11:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: You actually didn't respond to my statement. Why should God restore limbs, is there some law that says He should. You want miracles find a 1000 amputees, they are alive because God healed them. You can't demand that God do as you want and get a response.

GC

Isn't that what prayer is, though, a demand, or, at least a request, for god to do something?  Are you saying that it is "wrong" for an amputee to pray to god to restore his/her lost limb?

Prayer prayed as a demand will not be answered, you can't sway God through demands. Prayer is a request in some situations, prayer is having a conversation with God, as you would with a friend. Prayer is thanking God for the things He's blessed you with, prayer is recognizing God is righteous and perfect, worthy of worship. Prayer is recognizing God's will is going to take priority over our asking because He is omniscient. I ask for certain things daily and believe God will answer yes, I thank Him daily and I usually have a short conversation with Him, I've asked God for many things and have received nos and yeses. Prayer is part of having a relationship with God to help in one's growth and to be available for working within God's will for others, His plans are always best.
Now for the amputee, a Christian would give thanks to God for saving his/her life and be ready to see what God's plan is for them. Will they be sad they lost a limb/s, yes, I know I would, but I also know God will still have a plan for my life and help me in His plan, giving me also the peace and comfort I would need to go forward. For those who would ask God to restore an amputated limb/s they actually know very little about God. If God restored a limb then where would faith be in Christianity and more importantly in God's plan, everyone would know that the limb didn't grow back by itself, because one hasn't. I'm not saying people shouldn't ask God to restore a limb, what I'm saying people should understand how to pray within God's will, they will be much happier in their future life.
Don't know if this is what you were looking for, it is however it's what I see as the correct way to pray.

GC

(March 26, 2016 at 10:28 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 26, 2016 at 9:36 am)Jehanne Wrote: Isn't that what prayer is, though, a demand, or, at least a request, for god to do something?  Are you saying that it is "wrong" for an amputee to pray to god to restore his/her lost limb?

Prayer prayed as a demand will not be answered, you can't sway God through demands. Prayer is a request in some situations, prayer is having a conversation with God, as you would with a friend. Prayer is thanking God for the things He's blessed you with, prayer is recognizing God is righteous and perfect, worthy of worship. Prayer is recognizing God's will is going to take priority over our asking because He is omniscient. I ask for certain things daily and believe God will answer yes, I thank Him daily and I usually have a short conversation with Him, I've asked God for many things and have received nos and yeses. Prayer is part of having a relationship with God to help in one's growth and to be available for working within God's will for others, His plans are always best.
Now for the amputee, a Christian would give thanks to God for saving his/her life and be ready to see what God's plan is for them. Will they be sad they lost a limb/s, yes, I know I would, but I also know God will still have a plan for my life and help me in His plan, giving me also the peace and comfort I would need to go forward. For those who would ask God to restore an amputated limb/s they actually know very little about God. If God restored a limb then where would faith be in Christianity and more importantly in God's plan, everyone would know that the limb didn't grow back by itself, because one hasn't. I'm not saying people shouldn't ask God to restore a limb, what I'm saying people should understand how to pray within God's will, they will be much happier in their future life.
Don't know if this is what you were looking for, it is however it's what I see as the correct way to pray.

GC

So, it's against "god's plan" to restore amputated limbs?

God's plan can't have been very good in the first place if he needs to keep intervening to fix it, and even needs it pointed out to him where the holes in it are.

Let's face it, God is a failure. He's releasing more patches than Windows.

"Do you wish to submit data reports to God when your life starts to suck? This will help him improve service in the future."

(March 26, 2016 at 9:43 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 26, 2016 at 10:50 am)Brian37 Wrote: Siri comes with a bullshit translator, 

Siri, translate "You have to learn how to pray"

Quote Siri, " I want to believe it works so badly and I ignore all the other god claims and their prayers to their god/s and the fact that 50 million humans die worldwide every year."

Yea you pray, so what. Other people pray to Allah, others to Yahweh, others to Hindu god/s others to Buddha. So what.

Nope, this is appeal to emotion and your own brain falling for your own flawed perceptions.

What does 50 million deaths have to do with anything, except to help keep the world from becoming over crowded in just a short time. I pray to Yahweh, but then I guess you didn't realize Yahweh is the God of creation, the God of the Jews and the God of Christians. No wonder you have trouble arguing against Christians.
You need to bring proof that my believing in answered prayer is an appeal to emotion and that my perception is flawed.

GC

SAMPLE RATE error. 50 million people died, and I am sure lots of them saw it coming and prayed too. So what makes you so special, seems kinda selfish to me. You think those others that died wanted to? You think they didn't have loved ones now in agony now missing them?

No I don't need to bring proof.

"Prove Muslim prayer does not work"
"Prove Hindu prayer does not work"
"Prove Jewish prayer does not work"
"Prove Buddhist prayer does not work"
"Prove Mormon prayer does not work"
"Prove Shinto prayer does not work"

You wouldn't buy those arguments above, so why should I give your "prove it doesn't work"  either?

(March 26, 2016 at 9:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: You need to bring proof that my believing in answered prayer is an appeal to emotion and that my perception is flawed.

GC

Does the success rate of your prayers show any observable, consistently reproducible difference from the success rate of just making random wishes that you don't address to any deity? Does the success rate differ if you address your prayers to Ganesh rather than God? I.e. have you conducted any control tests?

I'm curious, GC. Why should your god, exist above all others?

To me it's all the same BS in different wrapping paper.