(April 18, 2016 at 6:52 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 6:43 pm)AJW333 Wrote: It was a given that you didn't have sex with children.

And you would be entirely wrong in that assumption, since what we consider children now was a totally accepted age for marriage back then and far into the Middle Ages. Not only with jews, christians or muslims, but also with Greeks and Romans.

You might do well to actually look up the ages of brides to wealthy families in the Middle Ages. The best documented period for these kinds of practices.

I'm not in favour of child or adolescent sex or marriage, but I would be interested to know from an evolutionary point of view, why it is wrong for biologically able people to engage in sexual activity before the government-approved age. If you have sexual maturity, why is it "wrong" to use it? Doesn't natural selection indicate that sex at 12 or 13 is normal?

(April 18, 2016 at 7:26 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 7:23 pm)AJW333 Wrote: With a suicide rate 10 times higher than average, the "treatment" is clearly an abject failure.

Right now it's talking out of the ass, lacking some serious source, but I bite. Might it be discrimination?

I don't know. What I do know is that for whatever reason, it doesn't work. If there was a drug that came with a massive suicide risk, it would be banned immediately. With this suicide rate, why isn't there a ban on gender reassignment surgery?

(April 18, 2016 at 7:42 pm)AJW333 Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 7:26 pm)abaris Wrote: Right now it's talking out of the ass, lacking some serious source, but I bite. Might it be discrimination?

I don't know. What I do know is that for whatever reason, it doesn't work. If there was a drug that came with a massive suicide risk, it would be banned immediately. With this suicide rate, why isn't there a ban on gender reassignment surgery?

Why isn't there a ban on discrimination?

(April 18, 2016 at 7:42 pm)AJW333 Wrote: I don't know. What I do know is that for whatever reason, it doesn't work. If there was a drug that came with a massive suicide risk, it would be banned immediately. With this suicide rate, why isn't there a ban on gender reassignment surgery?

Citation needed. to be taken seriously.

(April 18, 2016 at 7:37 pm)AJW333 Wrote: I'm not in favour of child or adolescent sex or marriage, but I would be interested to know from an evolutionary point of view, why it is wrong for biologically able people to engage in sexual activity before the government-approved age. If you have sexual maturity, why is it "wrong" to use it? Doesn't natural selection indicate that sex at 12 or 13 is normal?

Well, for starters because we've moved on from the bronze age and no longer sell our children to the highest bidder.

(April 13, 2016 at 7:39 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 4:20 am)AJW333 Wrote: Good question. There's no easy way to "prove" that God exists apart from assuming that he does, and then living your life accordingly. If you live according to God's principles, the proof is to be found in the outworking of your life. It is a form of inductive reasoning, ie you assume something to be true, put it to the test and  then come to a conclusion.

Alright, this should be fun: what should we expect to see in a person's life if they follow your astoundingly hypocritical presupposition that god exists?

Because you just made the beginning of a falsifiable claim here, and I want to see whether you'll flee from that at top speed, or actually present something of value for your position for once.

You would see a changed set of values, ie more of the "fruit of the Spirit" should be evident in your life,

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control." Gal 5:22

(April 18, 2016 at 7:50 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 7:37 pm)AJW333 Wrote: I'm not in favour of child or adolescent sex or marriage, but I would be interested to know from an evolutionary point of view, why it is wrong for biologically able people to engage in sexual activity before the government-approved age. If you have sexual maturity, why is it "wrong" to use it? Doesn't natural selection indicate that sex at 12 or 13 is normal?

Well, for starters because we've moved on from the bronze age and no longer sell our children to the highest bidder.

Didn't really answer the question there.

(April 17, 2016 at 4:57 am)AJW333 Wrote:

(April 16, 2016 at 3:59 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: God didn't make that rule, so no it's not bullshit.

Sure he did. The Jews weren't allowed to have sex outside of marriage and no one in Israel married children.

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(April 16, 2016 at 3:59 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: In fact to show you how evil your god is, he clearly mandates that his people rape the young girls of their defeated enemies:

'Numbers 31 7-18'
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

This doesn't say to rape the girls. As I indicated, sex was forbidden outside marriage so these girls would have been spared and married at a later stage.

(April 16, 2016 at 3:59 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: So before you go on at us about morality, fucktard, have a word with the little delusional schizophrenic voice inside your head about your own morality.

The "delusional voice" inside my head says that despite what I would like to say or do, I need to exercise self-control, exhibit patience and kindness and demonstrate the love of God.

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According to the Babylonian Talmud David knocked up Bathsheba when she was six years old.

(April 18, 2016 at 7:37 pm)AJW333 Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 6:52 pm)abaris Wrote: And you would be entirely wrong in that assumption, since what we consider children now was a totally accepted age for marriage back then and far into the Middle Ages. Not only with jews, christians or muslims, but also with Greeks and Romans.

You might do well to actually look up the ages of brides to wealthy families in the Middle Ages. The best documented period for these kinds of practices.

I'm not in favour of child or adolescent sex or marriage, but I would be interested to know from an evolutionary point of view, why it is wrong for biologically able people to engage in sexual activity before the government-approved age. If you have sexual maturity, why is it "wrong" to use it? Doesn't natural selection indicate that sex at 12 or 13 is normal?

The push to raise the age of consent is only about 120 years old.  The age of consent was 7 years old in Delaware in 1895.  There was no lower limit during slavery times, which is one of the reason the slave owners fought so hard to retain slavery.  

Full penetration sex with young girls is very damaging physically, especially if they get pregnant because their bodies are not large enough to carry and deliver full-size babies with major damage to themselves.  In addition they are not emotionally developed enough to raise a child when they are still children themselves.  

A lot of people try to pass this off as an ancient practice but a number of people you might know had grandmothers who were raped when they were seven years old or younger.

(April 18, 2016 at 8:03 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(April 17, 2016 at 4:57 am)AJW333 Wrote: Sure he did. The Jews weren't allowed to have sex outside of marriage and no one in Israel married children.

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This doesn't say to rape the girls. As I indicated, sex was forbidden outside marriage so these girls would have been spared and married at a later stage.

The "delusional voice" inside my head says that despite what I would like to say or do, I need to exercise self-control, exhibit patience and kindness and demonstrate the love of God.

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According to the Babylonian Talmud David knocked up Bathsheba when she was six years old.

Reference? Not that it really matters though since the Bible indicates that Bathsheba was a married woman who fell pregnant after said "knocking up." I didn't know you could get pregnant at six years old.