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(May 3, 2016 at 6:57 am)abaris Wrote: Far as I know it, it's the absence of god. No annihilation, just going somewhere where god isn't present.[...]
Not that I expect logic and consistency from the geriatric pedophiles in pointy hats, but since god is supposed to be omnipresent, doesn't that imply, that a place where god is not present doesn't exist? And therefore anyone sent over there would be in fact wiped from existence.
Excellent point, Homeless! That concept does appear to be contradictory, doesn't it?
And I predict an ad hoc rebuttal in 3...2...1...
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
(May 3, 2016 at 7:15 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Not that I expect logic and consistency from the geriatric pedophiles in pointy hats, but since god is supposed to be omnipresent, doesn't that imply, that a place where god is not present doesn't exist? And therefore anyone sent over there would be in fact wiped from existence.
Excellent point, Homeless! That concept does appear to be contradictory, doesn't it?
And I predict an ad hoc rebuttal in 3...2...1...
Wouldn't it be just like it is now? I don't believe he exists anywhere (apart from inside the tangled mess of an Xtian brain) so when I die I go to a place where god still doesn't exist - only I'm dead so I won't know.
The believer thinks god is everywhere now and they get to meet him in heaven because omnipresence only works when you die (or believe really hard) apparently. So some sort of duality will solve the contradiction. Head hurts - exceeded my deep thinking limit.
May 3, 2016 at 9:49 am (This post was last modified: May 3, 2016 at 9:51 am by Huggy Bear.)
(May 2, 2016 at 9:10 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:
(May 2, 2016 at 8:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: First of all, the scriptures "are of no private interpretation", you must let the scripture interpret itself.
Cain was never included in the Genealogy of Adam, thereby showing that he WAS NOT Adam's son.
Do the math.
Okay, I'll bite. If you're suggesting Cain is the son of Lucifer, who do you say was his mother? Are there any other women yet except Eve?
But no, I have no questions which I urgently need a Christian to answer. I just read this exchange and thought .. that's weird.
Cain was the seed of the serpent through Eve, so yes Eve was his mother.
(May 2, 2016 at 9:16 pm)BlackBird Wrote: Genesis 4 verse 1 seems to think that Adam was Cain's father.
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”
If you read the scriptures you'll see that Eve was already with seed before Adam was with her.
Quote:Genesis 3
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
You clearly see that the serpent had a seed.
Eve was Impregnated by two different seeds at the same time.
Quote:Superfecundation twins: When a woman has intercourse with two different men in a short period of time while ovulating, it’s possible for both men to impregnate her separately. In this case, two different sperm impregnate two different eggs.
As for “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”
All life comes from God.
(May 2, 2016 at 9:19 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Or...the language of the scripture is so vague and simplistic (dare I say symbolic?) it practically INVITES multiple competing interpretations; any or all of which can easily be perceived as "correct" by the individual doing the interpreting...
It's not vague at all, the only man to be born without sin was Jesus Christ and he was virgin born, that tells you right there that the original sin was sexual.
Cain having no revelation offered fruits as an atonement to God, because he thought it was fruit that caused man to fall. Abel on the other hand offer blood as an atonement, because had had a revelation that the original sin involved blood.
(May 2, 2016 at 9:10 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Okay, I'll bite. If you're suggesting Cain is the son of Lucifer, who do you say was his mother? Are there any other women yet except Eve?
But no, I have no questions which I urgently need a Christian to answer. I just read this exchange and thought .. that's weird.
Cain was the seed of the serpent through Eve, so yes Eve was his mother.
Lol. Why is it always the women who are always so kinky?
May 3, 2016 at 12:53 pm (This post was last modified: May 3, 2016 at 1:11 pm by PETE_ROSE.)
(May 2, 2016 at 5:39 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(May 1, 2016 at 3:17 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: Hello and thank you all for having me in the forum. I am new here and registered because I felt the urge to undertake a part in the great commission.I have not failed to notice the application of Christianity from churches and organized religion is hypocritical, atrocious at times, and is rarely in line with the intent of the Bible and its Author.It is with great consequence that people are influenced by the misguided and twisted forms Christ's message often comes in.I hope to do better.I am offering to answer, to the best of my ability, any question, on any topic that I feel remotely qualified to respond to.Please refrain from cheap baiting attempts often used to trap someone into a play on words or the like and I will do the same.If you have questions I will offer my thoughts.I won't attempt to restrict the areas of conversation too much but I do ask that we remain respectful towards one another.I would also ask that all questions regarding the Christian bible pertain to the KJV.I will answer as promptly as 6 children, 2 careers, and a part time job will allow.
V/R
Pete
Why take the King James version, a bible created in the 17th century to try and give religious backing to James II & VII's claims to have a divine right to rule absolutely?
Would it not be better to follow either the Codex Vaticanus or Siniaticus, the two oldest known bibles?
I have already answered this in a previous response with TheRocketSurgeon
(May 2, 2016 at 6:08 am)Alex K Wrote: What's your favourite type of Heavy Metal?
Metallica for sure! Harvester of Sorrow and For Whom the Bell Tolls, One, song wise, pretty much everything album from Garage Days on back. I did catch Motley Crue at Donnington Park I believe it was for their Dr Feelgood tour. I think I still have hearing loss from Tommy Lee's drum solo. GNR when I was in school. Would have liked to have went to the reunion concert in Vegas this year. Didn't think that would ever happen. Loved the Monsters of Rock concerts in the UK in the 90's. Metal, Zeppelin, anything from the 70's is what you will find on my iphone and ipod.
What is your favorite Heavy Metal? I can only assume you were implying music. However I love welding and prefer the MIG process on mild steel, its I do not have the coordination to TIG stainless. Gun to head, I would say iron is my favorite heavy metal.
(May 2, 2016 at 9:10 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Okay, I'll bite. If you're suggesting Cain is the son of Lucifer, who do you say was his mother? Are there any other women yet except Eve?
But no, I have no questions which I urgently need a Christian to answer. I just read this exchange and thought .. that's weird.
Cain was the seed of the serpent through Eve, so yes Eve was his mother.
Quote:BlackBird pid='1265006' dateline='1462238170']Genesis 4 verse 1 seems to think that Adam was Cain's father.
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”
If you read the scriptures you'll see that Eve was already with seed before Adam was with her.
Quote:Genesis 3
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
You clearly see that the serpent had a seed.
Eve was Impregnated by two different seeds at the same time.
Quote:Superfecundation twins: When a woman has intercourse with two different men in a short period of time while ovulating, it’s possible for both men to impregnate her separately. In this case, two different sperm impregnate two different eggs.
As for “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”
All life comes from God.
(May 2, 2016 at 9:19 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Or...the language of the scripture is so vague and simplistic (dare I say symbolic?) it practically INVITES multiple competing interpretations; any or all of which can easily be perceived as "correct" by the individual doing the interpreting...
It's not vague at all, the only man to be born without sin was Jesus Christ and he was virgin born, that tells you right there that the original sin was sexual.
Cain having no revelation offered fruits as an atonement to God, because he thought it was fruit that caused man to fall. Abel on the other hand offer blood as an atonement, because had had a revelation that the original sin involved blood.
Have you been reading the Babylonian Talmud fairy tale?
Yebamoth 103b = "When the serpent copulated with Eve,9* he infused her10* with lust. The lust of the Israelites who stood at Mount Sinai,11 came to an end, the lust of the idolaters who did not stand at Mount Sinai did not come to an end." http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_103.html
footnotes 9* & 10* =
9* In the Garden of Eden, according to a tradition.
10* I.e., the human species.
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