(May 28, 2016 at 2:35 am)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(May 27, 2016 at 6:44 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:


So the Universe thinks now? What evidence is there of that, exactly?

Well, it does think at some level - us.

You know, I was expecting the OP to come at me with that bullshit, but it doesn't much surprise me from you, either, Child.


I obviously mean that the Universe, as a complete entity, shows no evidence of being a conscious thing (even if some of its parts exhibit consciousness). That's not to say that it isn't conscious, just that there's no reason to believe it is until there's some evidence.


And before you even start, we are not evidence of a Universal Consciousness, so don't even try that shit.


OP, please ignore Penguin's insincere trolling. He is an arrogant punk who thinks he's so smart he can manipulate anyone on the internet into "liking" him.


Child, you stop trolling the new guy. Have you even done your homework yet? You know you can't go to the mall with your friends unless you get your homework done first.

(May 27, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

Blueyedlion Wrote:"So how exactly am I "actually believing in god"?" by having any belief at all. For even if you don't believe in the universe, it's still there isnt it.

So? People are wrong about what they believe and don't believe so often it's trivial. That doesn't mean they really believe the things they don't believe that are really true; or really don't believe the things that are really false. The word for someone who doesn't believe something that is really true isn't 'believer', it's 'wrong'.

There's no such thing as a 'wrong belief' because the universe is not objective, only collective based on the contribution of subjective experience. So what ever you do in life whether it's intimate such as how you conduct yourself towards others in a loving relationship, or how you simply treat yourself, there is no 'wrong' approach, just different ones, because no matter what, you had to go through that experience to learn something from it. There was something to gain by going through it. So everything has value. Everything no matter what has substance depending on the individual.

Quote:And on top of everything else, belief isn't a choice. People believe the things they're convinced are true and don't believe the things they're convinced aren't sufficiently supported. You can't suddenly start believing in Santa Clause or that Andrew Jackson was a great man just because you choose to.

Then you've ignored everything i've so far said. Lets put god out of the equation and call it the universe for your own sake. The universe is exists through all particles, fields, waves etc. To be a wave, a particle, the universe lives through the experience of those things. The universe exists in all moments of time, past, present and future. And the universe exists throughout everywhere of all that is and can be.

So, what ever you believe and don't believe, is a product of the universe - not some fabrication. No matter how you experience anything, that's the universe experiencing itself in a very small part through you. Whether it's your imagination or a physical experience, it's still a real experience. I would think we can agree with all of this so far. So, since there is no such such as true absence, everything that can possibly be, exists in some form, some how, some where. The only limitation of the universe is what you apply. For through imagination, you can think of what ever you want, and it's real for you in your mind. Since the universe is imagining itself through your mind. It's literally real in your mind. Otherwise you are saying the universe is making something that isnt of itself, but everything you do is in some form of the universe, for the universe cant make something that's not of a property of it.

What ever technology humanity invents in the future, it can only be something that is of a property, a quality that already exists in some way - only the technology is a different expression of it. So since you can imagine, that is a property that has always existed in some form in the universe. Nothing is new, only the varied expression of the same thing. Which logic would then dictate that consciousness has always existed.

Try getting out of that one

I smell a sock of TC

(May 28, 2016 at 9:21 am)Nymphadora Wrote: I smell a sock of TC

Is someone going to ban that sock acc?

We shall see.

(May 28, 2016 at 9:20 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: There's no such thing as a 'wrong belief' because the universe is not objective, only collective based on the contribution of subjective experience. So what ever you do in life whether it's intimate such as how you conduct yourself towards others in a loving relationship, or how you simply treat yourself, there is no 'wrong' approach, just different ones, because no matter what, you had to go through that experience to learn something from it. There was something to gain by going through it. So everything has value. Everything no matter what has substance depending on the individual.

The collective might and quite often does, disagree with the subjective. As such, there can be a 'wrong belief' ...take 'witch hunts', 'inquisitions' and ISIS as collectively contributed examples.

(May 28, 2016 at 8:50 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(May 28, 2016 at 2:35 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Well, it does think at some level - us.

You know, I was expecting the OP to come at me with that bullshit, but it doesn't much surprise me from you, either, Child.


I obviously mean that the Universe, as a complete entity, shows no evidence of being a conscious thing (even if some of its parts exhibit consciousness). That's not to say that it isn't conscious, just that there's no reason to believe it is until there's some evidence.


And before you even start, we are not evidence of a Universal Consciousness, so don't even try that shit.


OP, please ignore Penguin's insincere trolling. He is an arrogant punk who thinks he's so smart he can manipulate anyone on the internet into "liking" him.


Child, you stop trolling the new guy. Have you even done your homework yet? You know you can't go to the mall with your friends unless you get your homework done first.

Well, the Universe does think through us at least.

(May 27, 2016 at 3:43 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: Because, god is omni-present, and omni-being and omni-everywhere, so even in absence it’s there for there is no such thing as true absence.

So i heard that recently and i would like to hear from atheists here what you all think of this statement.

Thanks

Isnt Hell a seperation from god?

(May 28, 2016 at 9:20 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: There's no such thing as a 'wrong belief' because the universe is not objective, only collective based on the contribution of subjective experience.

If that is supposed to be an objective fact, you've just contradicted yourself.

(May 28, 2016 at 9:20 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: And on top of everything else, belief isn't a choice.

Then why are you trying to convince us of these things if you don't think what we believe is even our choice?

(May 28, 2016 at 9:20 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: The universe exists in all moments of time, past, present and future. And the universe exists throughout everywhere of all that is and can be.

Breathtakingly absurd.

(May 28, 2016 at 9:20 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: So, what ever you believe and don't believe, is a product of the universe - not some fabrication.

Are you feeling alright?

(May 28, 2016 at 9:20 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: What ever technology humanity invents in the future, it can only be something that is of a property, a quality that already exists in some way - only the technology is a different expression of it.

You really like saying stuff, don't you? Does it mean anymore to you than it does to me - or doesn't that make any difference to the universe (aka God).

(May 28, 2016 at 9:20 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: So since you can imagine, that is a property that has always existed in some form in the universe. Nothing is new, only the varied expression of the same thing. Which logic would then dictate that consciousness has always existed.

Not that you're making any sense but, whatever it is you have in mind, so fucking what?

(May 28, 2016 at 9:20 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: Try getting out of that one

Take your goddamned meds.

God is love!
God is pleasure!

I love backing out a long long one! It gives me pleasure!
Therefore God is ..….... wait, I need to roll it in glitter first, don't I?