(May 30, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 1:22 pm)IATIA Wrote: I can know that I will never accept christ.  Under coercion, I might say that I do, but I will never mean it.  I truly believe that there is no god, no possibility of a god, no scenario at all that would even allow for a god to exist.  How could I accept christ under those beliefs?  So, yes, I can 'foretell' my future in that respect.  I will never accept christ.

 If this is so I know you will spend eternity in hell according to what God has said through scripture, now is that a real future.

GC

You might burn in Hell for refusing to accept the Quran, the perfect word of Allah.

(May 30, 2016 at 2:30 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 12:45 pm)Godschild Wrote:  Only to those who disobey Him and He knows will not accept Christ as savior.

GC

Didn't God make everyone?

Does He or did He set up a process that allows the soul to be born in a child through human procreation?

WoG Wrote:So if God made everyone then he made some "defective" just so that he could get pissed at his imperfect creations.  After all, he saves those whom he wants to save and condemns those whom he wants to condemn.  The individual has no say in what happens to himself.

God didn't make anything defective, haven't you read Genesis, God said, "all His creation was very good." It was the sin of Adam which caused the down fall of man, we are now born with a sinful nature. You should study the Bible and find out how things really work with man and his fall. You wouldn't make these mistakes, you know. God doesn't control you like a puppet, you have the freedom to make choices, it's you that you have to blame for your failures.

 

WoG Wrote:Have you ever stopped to consider that by worshiping Jesus you are not worshiping God?  Jesus was nowhere to be found in the Old Testament fairy tales.

You now have proved you know nothing about the OT scriptures, Christ is all through it, as in physical appearances and prophecy. Also God shows us the need for Christ as savior in the OT. Jesus is God as the Father and Holy Spirit are, three who are One.

WoG Wrote: He pops up in the New Testament fairy tales just like Satan did.  The result is that the Jesus character got people to abandon God worship and to start worshiping him.  If he was still wiggling on the cross there might be some justification in that but even when he was supposedly alive he never did anything godly.  Paul said that if the dead don't return to life then your faith is in vain.  Have you ever seen any zombies pop out of the graveyard and visit you?

I think... no believe you are quite crazy and a very hateful person. Satan appears in the first three chapters of Genesis, Jesus was who created everything. Jesus said that the Father and He were one, that no one comes to the Father except through Him, Jesus taught us how to pray to the Father and I could go on and on but, you wouldn't understand because you've not studied the Bible, I'm tired of your foolishness and plan this as my last response to you in this thread. The resurrection will happen when Christ returns and not before. Christ came to live life as a man, to be sinless and the perfect sacrifice for our sin. You by your disrespect for Christians think you can get under our skin, think again it will be to God you will answer not us.  

WoG Wrote:Once the con men like Peter found out that they could hoodwink dummies into giving them their cash they were off to the races.  (Acts 5:1-11). It's all about the money.

 It's all you can see, it's all God will allow you to see until and/or if you change your heart, so the real dummies are the ones choosing to spend an eternity in hell. Peter worked hard to bring the good news of Christ to the people and his first sermon brought 3000 to salvation.
Here's your lesson learn it if you expect to have any knowledge of scripture. These verses are about spiritual things, first of all Ananias and Sapphira thought they could lie to the Holy Spirit by keeping part of the money they promised the church. Second, Peter told Ananias that the property he sold was his and he didn't have to sell it, Peter also told Ananias that when he sold the property it was his money to use as he saw fit, in other words he didn't have to promise the money to the church. Ananias promised the money to God for the church then he tried to keep part of it for himself, Satan influenced Ananias as he did with Eve to think of themselves first and then God a some point later, thus he lied to God and was punished as God judged appropriate. His wife did the same and suffered the same punishment. You probably can't see it but the whole thing was about being dishonest in the heart with God and believing he could fool God. So again your lack of understanding of scripture is not very good at all.

GC

(May 30, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Godschild Wrote:  If this is so I know you will spend eternity in hell according to what God has said through scripture, now is that a real future.

GC

You might burn in Hell for refusing to accept the Quran, the perfect word of Allah.

 Allah is a false moon god and has no power over me.

GC

(May 30, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Godschild Wrote:  If this is so I know you will spend eternity in hell according to what God has said through scripture, now is that a real future.

GC

Given a choice, if all that bullshit were real, I would choose hell over heaven any day of the week.

(May 30, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Jehanne Wrote: You might burn in Hell for refusing to accept the Quran, the perfect word of Allah.

 Allah is a false moon god and has no power over me.

GC

How do you know that?  JC was a Jewish apocalyptic prophet, now dead, who has power over no one, your imagination notwithstanding.

(May 30, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Jehanne Wrote: You might burn in Hell for refusing to accept the Quran, the perfect word of Allah.

 Allah is a false moon god and has no power over me.

GC

You sound like a cave man, GC. Ooga-booga, my rock god STRONG, your paper god WEAK.

(May 30, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 1:24 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: You know what would be really nice?  If your purported omnipotent being didn't have such thin skin.  The idea that he simply cannot abide by certain things we limited beings do is laughable in the extreme.

 What' real and sad here is that you do not understand what holy means.

GC

Likely because 'holy' is a purposely vague term with no real meaning.

(May 30, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Jehanne Wrote: You might burn in Hell for refusing to accept the Quran, the perfect word of Allah.

 Allah is a false moon god and has no power over me.

GC

What if you're wrong, GC? 
If that turns out to be the case, I'll gladly save you a seat in Hell; Considering I'm able to, of course. 

I'm about 5 '3, and will be wearing a purple pea jacket.

(May 30, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Godschild Wrote:  You didn't read what I posted did you or if you did you ignored it, either way it's still shows you do not want to have a real discussion about God.
God would never appear to you, it's not the way He works. As I said before God would not ask you to poke someone in the eye, it's not what He does, you are thinking in a child's way.
 When God tells someone what His will is for them and they deny and/or ignore it then they sin and are guilty and worthy of being judged.
God doesn't play with His creation, if there was a god like that none of us would stand a chance. I actually made a mistake I thought you were interested in what I believed God was like, but like most atheist you seem only in your own conclusions no matter how wrong they are, interesting for someone who believe atheist are so much smarter than Christians. If you are really interested post to me again if not then we should call it quits at this point in time.

Thanks for the reply GC. I'm just interested in the views of a theist who doesn't believe God is omnibenevolent. Are God's actions constrained by morality? Whether external to him or grounded in his own nature? Is it possible for him to perform an unethical action or is any action performed by God ipso facto ethical? If God is not constrained by morality, are we? Is our morality dependent on the whims of a deity, or does some other moral standard apply to our actions?

This is why I asked the questions. It's irrelevant whether or not God would appear to me, I'm just interested in the alternatives to perfect being theology.

(May 30, 2016 at 4:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 2:30 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Didn't God make everyone?

Does He or did He set up a process that allows the soul to be born in a child through human procreation?

WoG Wrote:So if God made everyone then he made some "defective" just so that he could get pissed at his imperfect creations.  After all, he saves those whom he wants to save and condemns those whom he wants to condemn.  The individual has no say in what happens to himself.

God didn't make anything defective, haven't you read Genesis, God said, "all His creation was very good." It was the sin of Adam which caused the down fall of man, we are now born with a sinful nature. You should study the Bible and find out how things really work with man and his fall. You wouldn't make these mistakes, you know. God doesn't control you like a puppet, you have the freedom to make choices, it's you that you have to blame for your failures.

 

WoG Wrote:Have you ever stopped to consider that by worshiping Jesus you are not worshiping God?  Jesus was nowhere to be found in the Old Testament fairy tales.

You now have proved you know nothing about the OT scriptures, Christ is all through it, as in physical appearances and prophecy. Also God shows us the need for Christ as savior in the OT. Jesus is God as the Father and Holy Spirit are, three who are One.

WoG Wrote: He pops up in the New Testament fairy tales just like Satan did.  The result is that the Jesus character got people to abandon God worship and to start worshiping him.  If he was still wiggling on the cross there might be some justification in that but even when he was supposedly alive he never did anything godly.  Paul said that if the dead don't return to life then your faith is in vain.  Have you ever seen any zombies pop out of the graveyard and visit you?

I think... no believe you are quite crazy and a very hateful person. Satan appears in the first three chapters of Genesis, Jesus was who created everything. Jesus said that the Father and He were one, that no one comes to the Father except through Him, Jesus taught us how to pray to the Father and I could go on and on but, you wouldn't understand because you've not studied the Bible, I'm tired of your foolishness and plan this as my last response to you in this thread. The resurrection will happen when Christ returns and not before. Christ came to live life as a man, to be sinless and the perfect sacrifice for our sin. You by your disrespect for Christians think you can get under our skin, think again it will be to God you will answer not us.  

WoG Wrote:Once the con men like Peter found out that they could hoodwink dummies into giving them their cash they were off to the races.  (Acts 5:1-11). It's all about the money.

 It's all you can see, it's all God will allow you to see until and/or if you change your heart, so the real dummies are the ones choosing to spend an eternity in hell. Peter worked hard to bring the good news of Christ to the people and his first sermon brought 3000 to salvation.
Here's your lesson learn it if you expect to have any knowledge of scripture. These verses are about spiritual things, first of all Ananias and Sapphira thought they could lie to the Holy Spirit by keeping part of the money they promised the church. Second, Peter told Ananias that the property he sold was his and he didn't have to sell it, Peter also told Ananias that when he sold the property it was his money to use as he saw fit, in other words he didn't have to promise the money to the church. Ananias promised the money to God for the church then he tried to keep part of it for himself, Satan influenced Ananias as he did with Eve to think of themselves first and then God a some point later, thus he lied to God and was punished as God judged appropriate. His wife did the same and suffered the same punishment. You probably can't see it but the whole thing was about being dishonest in the heart with God and believing he could fool God. So again your lack of understanding of scripture is not very good at all.

GC

Mohammed pulled the same crap that the Jesus character did by saying that he was the most special person on Earth.  In case you haven't figured it out, just because a crazy loon claims that he's some invisible deity's best buddy doesn't mean that the invisible deity actually exists.  It just means that the crazy loon is a lunatic.

Peter pulled the same thing that Moses did.  He killed people who didn't believe in his religious delusions.  If Ananias and Sapphira were Jews they were supposed to fork over their loot to the Jewish temple instead of to the con man who ran the cult they had stumbled into.  They found out the error of their ways too late.  Now do like Jesus told you to do and give all of your stuff to the poor people.  If you don't you're going to burn forever in the lake of fire.  That's what your favorite ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale says.