(June 1, 2016 at 8:57 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(May 31, 2016 at 9:19 pm)GeneralDog Wrote: I dont understand what you are implying? Just be specific.

What were your actions causing your mom to block the internet? Is there a reason that your mom felt she needed to lie to you? Have you circumvented her will in the past? How many times has this happened in the past?

As for the chest pain, have you had a previous episode/symptoms (other than the one in your thread) where you did receive a diagnosis/treatment? Is there a reason why they discounted the symptoms other than they are horrible parents/brother? It appears that you were OK with their lack of action, in fact OK with your on lack of action, why is that?

I think your only giving us your side and that is limited to what you want us to hear, not what actually happened?

I don't know exactly why she blocked the internet, but my guess was all nighters. The issue isnt so much the internet, it was the lying that made me mad. Even how she so prided herself in telling the truth. One of her arguments was "I never lied to you, so why would I lie to you about god?" and could you rephrase "circumvented her will"? Im not sure I understand.

I only remember 1 event if chest pain that came before this one, and I recieved no diagnosis because I wasnt taken to the doctor that time either. I told the school nurse, she called, mom said it was probably a pulled muscle and she went on her way. I think it was maybe 7th grade. I'm in 9th now. I wasnt okay with their lack of action, why would I make a post if I was? My own lack of action, I cant drive, Cant schedule an appointment (you have to be over 18 if my memory serves me well), I couldnt get anyone to take me, and by the time I finally did the pain went away and has stayed away for a few days now (with one exception), as for not calling 911, I wasnt sure that it was necessary. Plus I was scared to call, Ive kinda been raised to think to never call 911 unless you absolutely need to right this moment. I didnt think that was the case, I was just worried about it.

It is a legitimate complaint to say Im not giving their side, but I dont know their side, I dont live their lives, I'd have to take a somewhat reasonable guess.
Its their previous actions that I deem them to be acting unreasonably. Like, for example, them telling me its jesus knocking on my heart when I told them it hurts and I want to see a doctor. She acts of the best interest of her religion, and I act in my own best interest.

I agree, if she has (what she considers) a valid reason to stop you using the internet, then she should simply say so instead of lying about it and blocking you sneakily. If she's prepared to lie so easily about this, it calls into question her general honesty when dealing with people.

(June 1, 2016 at 11:06 am)GeneralDog Wrote: Ive kinda been raised to think to never call 911 unless you absolutely need to right this moment.

I understand. As I said, this here is a different country with a somewhat different insurance and medical system, but I have driven ambulances before and if a 9th grader had called in at the control room with heart pains, we would have taken the call as absolutely justified, been there in 15 minutes tops with a doctor, put you on a stretcher and hooked up the ECG where you would have gotten the first diagnosis, driven you to the next ER, where you would have gotten maybe an ultrasound or something or other (IANAD). You have misconceptions how severe the situation has to be to call in, but not just you, many people. I've seen people die in front of me who seemed ok moments before, this is no joke.

(June 1, 2016 at 11:06 am)GeneralDog Wrote: I don't know exactly why she blocked the internet, but my guess was all nighters. The issue isnt so much the internet, it was the lying that made me mad. Even how she so prided herself in telling the truth. One of her arguments was "I never lied to you, so why would I lie to you about god?" and could you rephrase "circumvented her will"? Im not sure I understand.

I only remember 1 event if chest pain that came before this one, and I recieved no diagnosis because I wasnt taken to the doctor that time either. I told the school nurse, she called, mom said it was probably a pulled muscle and she went on her way. I think it was maybe 7th grade. I'm in 9th now. I wasnt okay with their lack of action, why would I make a post if I was? My own lack of action, I cant drive, Cant schedule an appointment (you have to be over 18 if my memory serves me well), I couldnt get anyone to take me, and by the time I finally did the pain went away and has stayed away for a few days now (with one exception), as for not calling 911, I wasnt sure that it was necessary. Plus I was scared to call, Ive kinda been raised to think to never call 911 unless you absolutely need to right this moment. I didnt think that was the case, I was just worried about it.

It is a legitimate complaint to say Im not giving their side, but I dont know their side, I dont live their lives, I'd have to take a somewhat reasonable guess.
Its their previous actions that I deem them to be acting unreasonably. Like, for example, them telling me its jesus knocking on my heart when I told them it hurts and I want to see a doctor. She acts of the best interest of her religion, and I act in my own best interest.

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I think you know exactly why she blocked the internet.

Are you telling me that you have never lied to her? And have told her that she is wrong for not believing your lie? At age 15 my guess is yes. Were you constantly on her to get your way and telling you a lie was an easy for her to shut you up? Her telling you a lie was wrong. If you have lied to her I'm not sure how much sympathy you deserve.

Circumventing her will: You have found a way to do something that she has told you not to do. i.e. Mom: don't be on the computer after 10PM. You: OK Mom: (Waits till Mom is asleep) You: Login!

So nothing happened with the first episode of chest pain. Now, nothing happened with the second.

I thought you were home schooled?

Your lack of action: You can't walk, go to a neighbors, pick up a phone and call something other than 911, i.e. your doctors office? Your excuses are weak. We all encouraged you to act.

Re: "I act in my own best interest": You did not act at all. At age 15 I'm not sure you always know what your best interest is.

Each time you had chest pain, please describe the preceding incident/prior 4 hours. What lead up to the pain? Were you running? Climbing stairs? Arguing?

I'm not necessarily defending your mom or her actions. I think there is still something additional going on.

(May 31, 2016 at 3:23 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Nevermind, I see that you are.

Here's the thing.

Law dictates that a parent cannot abandon a child who has not yet reached the age of eighteen.  Oh, sure, parents act tough with their drama.

As long as you are under the age of eighteen, you not only have the law on your side but you also have an advantage.

Trump your parents.  

Make them realize at this stage, while you still can, that you are who you are.

The major fear and problem with young people is only instilled by their parents.  Fuck them.  Learn that they hold no power over you even at that age.  They cannot legally get rid of you.

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Look, I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, "What can I do about my parents?" And I tell them look, we know what the law is. You know, parents, there's a lot of laws about parenting. Oh my God, I can't believe it. It's just crazy. Look, if you want to know what you can do about your parents is, do you want to know what the law is? I'll tell you. First of all parents, by the way, I love parents. Parents love me, more parents vote for me than anybody else. They love me. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of kids too. My son, you know he was raised to be tough, always making a deal like his dad.  But some other kids, you know, not so much. Not so much. You know, some kids, they want to know parenting laws, and they just... you know what I mean? I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these parents, and we have all these children, and they both have a bunch of rights under these laws. Did you know that? We can protect the children from the parents, parents from the kids, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at parenting than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on parenting, believe me. In this country, you won't worry about the illegals coming over and taking our children, we have strong parents right at home. And when America is great again, you'll see, everyone, parents and kids, they'll be happy. Everyone will be happy. Thank you.

(May 31, 2016 at 3:16 am)GeneralDog Wrote:

(May 31, 2016 at 3:15 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Where do you live?

I wont do specifics, but im pretty deep in the bible belt

I can take a wild guess... and yeah man it sucks....

(June 1, 2016 at 8:08 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(June 1, 2016 at 11:06 am)GeneralDog Wrote: I don't know exactly why she blocked the internet, but my guess was all nighters. The issue isnt so much the internet, it was the lying that made me mad. Even how she so prided herself in telling the truth. One of her arguments was "I never lied to you, so why would I lie to you about god?" and could you rephrase "circumvented her will"? Im not sure I understand.

I only remember 1 event if chest pain that came before this one, and I recieved no diagnosis because I wasnt taken to the doctor that time either. I told the school nurse, she called, mom said it was probably a pulled muscle and she went on her way. I think it was maybe 7th grade. I'm in 9th now. I wasnt okay with their lack of action, why would I make a post if I was? My own lack of action, I cant drive, Cant schedule an appointment (you have to be over 18 if my memory serves me well), I couldnt get anyone to take me, and by the time I finally did the pain went away and has stayed away for a few days now (with one exception), as for not calling 911, I wasnt sure that it was necessary. Plus I was scared to call, Ive kinda been raised to think to never call 911 unless you absolutely need to right this moment. I didnt think that was the case, I was just worried about it.

It is a legitimate complaint to say Im not giving their side, but I dont know their side, I dont live their lives, I'd have to take a somewhat reasonable guess.
Its their previous actions that I deem them to be acting unreasonably. Like, for example, them telling me its jesus knocking on my heart when I told them it hurts and I want to see a doctor. She acts of the best interest of her religion, and I act in my own best interest.

bold mine

I think you know exactly why she blocked the internet.

Are you telling me that you have never lied to her? And have told her that she is wrong for not believing your lie? At age 15 my guess is yes. Were you constantly on her to get your way and telling you a lie was an easy for her to shut you up? Her telling you a lie was wrong. If you have lied to her I'm not sure how much sympathy you deserve.

Circumventing her will: You have found a way to do something that she has told you not to do. i.e. Mom: don't be on the computer after 10PM. You: OK Mom: (Waits till Mom is asleep) You: Login!

So nothing happened with the first episode of chest pain. Now, nothing happened with the second.

I thought you were home schooled?

Your lack of action: You can't walk, go to a neighbors, pick up a phone and call something other than 911, i.e. your doctors office? Your excuses are weak. We all encouraged you to act.

Re: "I act in my own best interest": You did not act at all. At age 15 I'm not sure you always know what your best interest is.

Each time you had chest pain, please describe the preceding incident/prior 4 hours. What lead up to the pain? Were you running? Climbing stairs? Arguing?

I'm not necessarily defending your mom or her actions. I think there is still something additional going on.

I have a good guess

I never claimed that I havent. I have told white lies. I dont ever remember telling a big lie.

Yes, I have, a long time ago I picked up GTA V, had it for a week and then she found out and told me to uninstall it, I did and never touched the game again. Thats the only time that I did something like that and I never did it again.

I was worried, I have a somewhat sedentary lifestyle and a poor diet, so when I had heart pain I got scared and wanted to be sure it was okay, better safe than sorry.

I am homeschooled, I used to not be.

Oh, I didnt even realize. In that case I am in the wrong.

I am good at reasoning out whats good for me and whats not. I act where my reason leads me. She acts upon where her religion leads me, thats Christian School, youth groups, church and all that, even though I stated multiple times that I wasnt interested and I want to be left alone. I got in a huge argument with her once where she wanted me to go to a christian school. I said I didnt want to go, and she said something along the lines of "No you just want to rebel, all you do is google arguments to trump Christians". It ended with her saying she hopes that if I dont believe that I would be miserable so I got extremely pissed and stormed out the door.

Most of the time running. It was usually after doing something like basketball. Although I got it while lying down and I had laboured breathing (and that ties back in to the "im worried" deal.

I understand, your just sceptical.
if I knew exactly what you are getting at I could respond accordingly. Just be blunt about it, tell me what you thinks going on and I will respond.

I've been chatting with GeneralDog for a while now, and I wanted to give my perspective, for what it's worth. This is based on our conversations, and obviously I can't directly confirm what he has said to me, but I haven't detected any reason why he would be deceiving us or hiding things.

I don't feel there is anything else significant/relevant going on other than what he has so far described. His mum is a religious nut, big time, and he doesn't have sensible adults to turn to for support because of the heavy Christian presence. They are more likely to back his mum than listen to him. I've heard much more about what she is like and what she does, and she will use any means necessary to try and manipulate him back into the fold.

I agree that seeing a doctor ASAP is the best course of action, and I have urged him to do so. Ultimately that's up to him. It's sad that he should have to take on such an adult decision, because the actual adults are behaving like children.

I'm not trying make out GDog is perfect or always blameless, but I wanted to say that I feel he is being genuine with us.

Honestly, I would tell your parents calmly and bluntly that if they are going to refuse medical care for you, you will call 911 yourself to make sure you don't die. Make it a matter of fact statement, not threatening, but just fact.

Don't cry wolf on it either. Don't threaten them with it in the future. But let them know that it is a card you are willing to play if need be.

I agree. That is the position they are forcing him into.