It seems quite amusing and scary at the same time, how people seem to think that if Hillary wins instead of Trump everything will be fine. As far as I am concerned, Hillary is quite capable of screwing us over just like Trump, and thus either of them winning is pretty much a doomsday scenario.

(June 8, 2016 at 10:13 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: It seems quite amusing and scary at the same time, how people seem to think that if Hillary wins instead of Trump everything will be fine. As far as I am concerned, Hillary is quite capable of screwing us over just like Trump, and thus either of them winning is pretty much a doomsday scenario.

Trump is driven by money, and sure, he's a clown, but the rest of the government will make him weak. Hilary is driven by a lust for power and influence. She wants to be president as she is the best product a cooperation can buy and it's something she can tick off on her checklist. She could be more dangerous than Trump seeing as she has said she wants to repeat the mistakes of Iraq and Libya if she gets elected. I don't want millions more homeless refugees on my doorstep because you want to play games with Russia and Iran and give weapons and money to terrorists, thank you Hilary. On that note, here's an interning video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tzsGGHuBTEs

Also Iran needs to donate to the Clinton Foundation if it want to avoid war with the United States if Hilary gets into office. Al-Saud has donated millions, and don't think Hilary won't want to return the favour by antagonising Iran. She tried to scupper the Iran Deal precisely because she wants more war - endless war. Saudi wants to go to war with Iran but they're too cowardly to do it on their own.

(June 6, 2016 at 10:29 pm)GoHalos1993 Wrote: I'm really concerned that Trump might actually pull this off. Me and my parents were discussing last night of how much dammage he would do to the United States and how it's sad he's brought out a lot of the racists and bigots

One day The Sun will expand into a red giant and obliterate Earth, along with any and all traces of our existence, wiping away all that we ever were, and all that we ever did.

So long-term, we're fucked. Shorter-term, it's gonna be ok.

(June 6, 2016 at 11:38 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: A president Grump would be reined in by Congress and the judiciary - I truly believe Grump doesn't understand this and he thinks he will simply be the king of everything if he wins.

You forget 2008. A wiser administration could have taken steps to rein in the worst of the damages. And it spread like the plague all over the globe, not only ruining lives in the States but also in other parts of the world. I have no doubt that Trump could be reined in by Congress. If they are willing to do so in the first place. But it's not an assembly of the brightest minds we're speaking of.

Also. the sheer fact of Trump being president, would hit the global financial market like a nuclear device. Every shred of trust in the American economy would be lost. Even more so since Trump himself bragged about being the master of debt. It doesn't matter if he actually has the means to influence the economy in a negative way. The fact that there's someone bragging about not paying back what he owes at the helm of the largest economy is totally sufficient to have a negative impact.

(June 8, 2016 at 2:41 am)Minimalist Wrote: Tomorrow when I'm back on my computer instead of this tablet I'll send you an excerpt from And Then All Hell  Broke Loose.

It is actually worse than you imply.

Thump,


From Richard Engel's book.

Quote:Another factor in the decision to invade Iraq was that the war in Afghanistan, which began less than a month after 9/11, had been too easy. To use a phrase military leaders love, the US “overlearned” the lesson of Afghanistan. In just three months after 9/11, at a cost of only a billion dollars and one American life, US airstrikes, 110 CIA operatives, and 300 Special Forces scored a decisive victory. Working in concert with Afghan tribesmen, who were paid according to the amount of lethal force they used against the enemy, the United States toppled the Taliban and prompted a hasty retreat by al-Qaeda, which at the time only had several hundred fighters. The small American force in Afghanistan would likely have captured Osama bin Laden after the battle at Tora Bora in December 2001, but the Defense Department, pointing to its early success, rejected the request for eight hundred additional soldiers to chase down al-Qaeda in the rough mountainous terrain.

If those eight hundred troops had been sent in and bin Laden was captured or killed back in 2001, it is possible the United States would never have invaded Iraq. Perhaps the defense establishment, the Iraq war lobby, and the neocons around the president would have been satisfied that Washington got its revenge after 9/11 and had something to show for it, bin Laden’s head. Instead, toppling the Taliban and sending al-Qaeda into hiding was a quick, mostly covert, and cheap affair. Washington had little to point to and tell the American people that 9/11 had been avenged. Ousting the Taliban should have been the end of the Global War on Terrorism, known by the ugly acronym GWOT, but the United States couldn’t walk away from the blackjack table. Aside from Bush’s personal, family preoccupation with Iraq, the generals at the Pentagon hadn’t got their piece of the action. Afghanistan, at least at first, had been so easy and quick, many assumed Iraq would be just as simple, with far greater rewards. Iraq would be a real war, with troops in uniform, where officers could win medals and command men in battle, far different from the CIA-led mission that tossed out the Taliban in the blink of an eye. Even though the Iraq war would prove to be a failure, its proponents were right about a few things. How many generals did the American public know before 9/11? After the war, how many became presidential advisors, special envoys, lobbyists, consultants for arms manufacturers, and analysts for oil companies and hedge funds? So the United States went into Iraq, expanded its military operation in Afghanistan, rotated 2 million troops through the war zones, left seven thousand Americans dead, fifty-two thousand wounded, a million US veterans filing for some form of disability, caused the deaths of two hundred thousand Muslims—perhaps many more, depending on the estimate—spent a few trillion dollars, and created some choice real estate for hyperviolent extremists.

So yeah.  The Pentagon had its agenda too.

The American goal since 1943 has been to bring democracy to the Arabs. It will continue to work on that objective as long as it can regardless of how much it costs. Right now Syria is being turned into rubble because Assad won't quit. The same thing will happen elsewhere fairly soon. Saudi Arabia might be last but its time is limited.

(June 6, 2016 at 11:07 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: No way in hell does Trump get elected. He has supporters that have completely turned off their critical thinking and are "locked in" on him. These people are immune to reason and will support him no matter what - but we're talking maybe 60% of registered Republicans - a small portion of the general electorate. Most voters will be swayed by the crushing attacks which will be directed his way. I have complete confidence that Hillary will win by a comfortable margin.

I wish I had your confidence about it. Sanders has a lot of stupid followers who are pledging to either write him in or vote for Trump.

(June 7, 2016 at 8:03 am)Exian Wrote:

(June 6, 2016 at 11:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I have no confidence in the 'murrican electorate.  The fuckers elected Dubya.

And yet, here we stand. I think we'll be ok.

Supreme court justices. That's a super big, long-lasting deal.

The choice is either Hillary or Trump.

Yeah, we're fucked.

(June 8, 2016 at 6:38 pm)Faith No More Wrote: The choice is either Hillary or Trump.

Yeah, we're fucked.

Hardly! Remember Clinton was already in the white house for 8 years.