(June 19, 2016 at 12:39 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 19, 2016 at 12:37 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Yes, Mr knows it all but unnable to stand. Keep riding your high horse.  Spears work for those. There is nothing really damning as those so keen to say something, failing inn  providing sollutions. I have withnessed you pointinting fingers and being all sanctimonious doing so, a valiant effort, but then, you are not presenting sollutions. Some like you act very smart, some others DO. Enjoy your life as the "velho do restelho" position.

Have I attacked him personally? Does having a different opinion in a debate warrant a personal attack? Just curious. If I have a different opinion, should I not say anything?

(June 19, 2016 at 12:04 pm)Losty Wrote: People get mad at me because if they send me text speak I usually just start typing all my posts with just letter abbreviations.

You should always speak your mind. Wrong or not. Be prepared for other opinions none the less. For one so keen to calling others bigots left & right you do have trouble with others opinions. So be it, I will trouble you no more. Infact I will act instead of portraying me as the holier than thou mimmick in this forum. You think, I do.

Not you Losty, dunno why I quoted you.

Lol...that was weird xD

(June 19, 2016 at 12:52 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: But my comments earlier were more in response to how, strictly in Western societies, the regressive left have painted the hardliners as the most authentic Muslims and do it at the expense of reformist Muslims.

That would be stupid. I still think, it's more about finding an identity than it is about religion. It's also about having chances or no chances. If you got nothing to lose, it's easier to be convinced of an ulterior cause in the name of getting meaning in life. Religion is just one of all possible ideologies.

(June 19, 2016 at 12:38 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Those that talk, spend time that should be used... doing.

... hy typed, online, as the latest of his 10,000+ posts here ...

No surprise there. And didn't the police suppress a pride march lately? Turkeys been slowly turning more and more Islamic for years.

(June 19, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: No surprise there. And didn't the police suppress a pride march lately? Turkeys been slowly turning more and more Islamic for years.

Not that I support that, but previously the army always started a coup when politics started to move the country away from secularism. Erdogan certainly knew where to crack down when coming to power. First, he castrated the army, then he went after the press and now he's going after dissent in the parliament.

I think, that's the real problem. One of the select few really secular countries in the world, moved towards authoritarian rule. Erdogan, even if he doesn't show it at every given opportunity, is an Islamist. I still believe he's rather fighting for his own glory, rather than some fundie religious ideas, but that doesn't make it any better.

(June 19, 2016 at 2:07 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 19, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: No surprise there. And didn't the police suppress a pride march lately? Turkeys been slowly turning more and more Islamic for years.

Not that I support that, but previously the army always started a coup when politics started to move the country away from secularism. Erdogan certainly knew where to crack down when coming to power. First, he castrated the army, then he went after the press and now he's going after dissent in the parliament.

I think, that's the real problem. One of the select few really secular countries in the world, moved towards authoritarian rule. Erdogan, even if he doesn't show it at every given opportunity, is an Islamist. I still believe he's rather fighting for his own glory, rather than some fundie religious ideas, but that doesn't make it any better.

I don't usually support it either, it's not exactly the best choice, but sadly it is sometimes nessecary. You're right about everything in that post.

Quote:First, he castrated the army

Admittedly, I haven't really followed Turkish news much lately. I know what he is doing regarding dissent in parliament and the press, but what did he do to the military? Dismiss the high ranking officers who disliked him?

(June 19, 2016 at 2:25 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Admittedly, I haven't really followed Turkish news much lately. I know what he is doing regarding dissent in parliament and the press, but what did he do to the military? Dismiss the high ranking officers who disliked him?

From the top of my head, I can't remember the details. But I seem to remember that he fired the previous command and replaced them with puppets of his own. I would have to look up the details too.

(June 19, 2016 at 2:32 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 19, 2016 at 2:25 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Admittedly, I haven't really followed Turkish news much lately. I know what he is doing regarding dissent in parliament and the press, but what did he do to the military? Dismiss the high ranking officers who disliked him?

From the top of my head, I can't remember the details. But I seem to remember that he fired the previous command and replaced them with puppets of his own. I would have to look up the details too.

No need, it's all good. I would imagine it was something more or less along the lines of that anyway.