(July 3, 2016 at 12:36 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 3, 2016 at 1:31 am)robvalue Wrote: Just to be clear, you don't have to like gay sex. You don't have to find the idea comfortable even. Maybe you don't even want to hear about it, or think about it. That's up to you.

But the moment you promote a stance that there is actually something wrong with it, further to your own personal discomfort, you are a bigot. You're encouraging people to find real fault with such actions.

You say I'm a bigot because I think there is something with homosexual sex?  That's Crazy.  That means I'm a huge bigot because I also believe that having sex outside of marriage is wrong.  I also think that drunkenness is wrong.  And I believe Democrats are wrong most of the time.  That makes me a super bigot.  By the way, you're a bigot too because you think that theism is wrong.  Your'e promoting a stance that makes people think that there is something wrong with it.  That's the usual response to anyone who believe that homosexual acts are wrong.  Just label them a bigot.

As far as homosexuality being a natural inclination, christians must daily go against their natural inclinations as do most non-christian people.

Theism is wrong and hasn't provided or done anything important for as long as it has been around it only servers to fuck up people and their way of thinking
Name a few things that religion has actually done good for the world and compare it to science and think on that. Religion is made up it was always made up to
being with primitive man and ancient man only really used it for many reasons now religion is no longer important only only servers a label and nothing more. 
If you think that homosexuality is wrong there is a few things okay you may not be homosexual that's fine but there is a difference if you don't like it 
simply don't talk about it. The difference here is you have people going around saying homosexuality is wrong because my god damn book says so that's the difference. 
I am not a bigot i just fucking hate religion in general and i can't be bigoted because well religion it's made up unlike homosexuality which is real.

(July 3, 2016 at 12:36 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 3, 2016 at 1:31 am)robvalue Wrote: Just to be clear, you don't have to like gay sex. You don't have to find the idea comfortable even. Maybe you don't even want to hear about it, or think about it. That's up to you.

But the moment you promote a stance that there is actually something wrong with it, further to your own personal discomfort, you are a bigot. You're encouraging people to find real fault with such actions.

You say I'm a bigot because I think there is something with homosexual sex?  That's Crazy.  That means I'm a huge bigot because I also believe that having sex outside of marriage is wrong.  I also think that drunkenness is wrong.  And I believe Democrats are wrong most of the time.  That makes me a super bigot.  By the way, you're a bigot too because you think that theism is wrong.  Your'e promoting a stance that makes people think that there is something wrong with it.  That's the usual response to anyone who believe that homosexual acts are wrong.  Just label them a bigot.

As far as homosexuality being a natural inclination, christians must daily go against their natural inclinations as do most non-christian people.

No, I said I don't know what your stance is. I said if you voice the opinion that there's something bad/wrong/immoral about something, based only on your own issues and no actual rational justification, you're a bigot. In my opinion. Disregard my opinion as you see fit. If you're against it because you're a Christian, you're a bigot. You're shielding your bigotry instead of owning it.

Sex outside of marriage can have demonstrable harmful effects, due to being outside of marriage specifically. As can drunkeness. You've done exactly what I warned of, comparing it to something not in the same category. It is rather depressing to me when I can just tell you what your next move is, what's wrong with it, and you do it anyway. Man/man sex has no such innate demonstrable immoral consequences that don't require false equivalence.

I think theism is likely factually incorrect. I don't think it's morally wrong. Another false equivocation.

Either you don't understand that these are false analogies, or you're being dishonest to deflect. If it's the former, I'm happy to explain further. But if you double down on more false equivalence I'll just end the conversation.

(July 3, 2016 at 4:16 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Just me, but if my mother, and her evil sisters, made claims like that when I was about to visit them I'd dress like this on the visit:

Are they anything like Marge Simpson's sisters?

(July 3, 2016 at 11:47 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(July 3, 2016 at 4:16 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Just me, but if my mother, and her evil sisters, made claims like that when I was about to visit them I'd dress like this on the visit:

Are they anything like Marge Simpson's sisters?

At a family get together a number of years ago, they bought me a bible.

I responded by buying them a copy of God is NOT Great, by Hitchens.

I think my mum's argument was the devil blames God for everything and I do too so I sound like the devil. But who designed the world to be this way? It wasn't Satan. I could easily design a better universe; I would design a universe that actually cares about our existence.

The devil is correct to blame God for everything, unless God is underachieving compared to the usual wild claims made about it.

Actually, I'd say theism is generally incoherent rather than incorrect. Specific forms are extremely likely to be factually incorrect, in my opinion.

Claims regarding facts about reality are not the same as moral opinions about actions.

(July 4, 2016 at 12:38 am)robvalue Wrote: The devil is correct to blame God for everything, unless God is underachieving compared to the usual wild claims made about it.

If christianity is true i would rather be in hell hanging out with the devil than god considering god and his followers blame all the fuck ups on the devil
when it's not even his fault.

Thanks for the support. Going to be reading my new book on Zarathustrians whilst on holiday. So if I sound like a devil now, just wait until I start reading that book. So many similarities with all of the religions of Abraham.