(July 11, 2016 at 1:30 am)Thena323 Wrote:

(July 10, 2016 at 11:31 pm)paulpablo Wrote: If you don't need proof of what you're trying to claim then don't use anecdotal proof when it means nothing.

I never claimed that black people are beaten and killed by police because they have more contact with law enforcement and so on.

What I claimed is that the percentages of black people involved in police brutality would match up with their population size if no police prejudice was involved, but also for a completely equal representation in that aspect it would also mean black people and white people would have to commit equal amounts of crime, resist arrest in equal amounts and be just as violent against the police as white people.

Since they aren't, a disproportionate amount of cop killers are black for example, it can't just be completely put down to the police being racially prejudice because not all races are equally causing as much disturbance with the law and police.

Not just simply that black people are being killed by police because they commit crime, there's probably lots of factors, but lots of factors beyond racial discrimination.

Do try and focus. 
The issue isn't about lawful shootings, or how much crime black Americans commit, paulpablo.

It's about the unlawful shooting of unarmed individuals and excessive force. 
Why is that so difficult for you to process?

Why should the incarceration and/or arrest rates of any other blacks in America have any bearing on the individual decision to stop a person who's done nothing suspicious, or to shoot an unarmed and/or innocent person? The fact that you're not even able to make a distinction between the two matters comes depressingly close to reflecting the crux of the problem. 

You'd probably make an excellent cop.

Not incarceration rates or arrest rates. It's crime rates. Police officers stop people based on descriptions they have about offenders, if the young black male crime rate is high the rate of stopping young black males to question them will be high.

That along with racial profiling and prejudice which I have already mentioned.

And I don't get why you're asking me what should happen?  I've said 

Quote:I'm saying one of the reasons behind an increased rate of police brutality against black people may be in part due to a higher crime, more instances of resisting arrest, and more violence against police from black people resulting in more interactions with the police that turn violent.

I didn't say the police should operate on increasing their levels of brutality against black people because they resist arrest and kill the police more.

I did say police brutality should be proportional to population size but the increased level of police brutality maybe because of increased contact with the police as a community.

When I say it should in that instance it was just a figure of speech, not meaning literally the police should try and even out their levels of police brutality between the races, ideally there should be no police brutality.

So asking me what should black people do, should they stay indoors, why should police officers do these things and so on, is pointless.

I'm saying if more black people are violent with the police and resist arrest more, a few of those times they might encounter some psycho cop, he might be black or white,  who's going to fuck them up.  Not that he should do that, but he might. The police will be patrolling the neighborhood more if they want easy arrests, totally innocent black people might be brought into these confrontations just due to police mistakes, peer pressure, being friends with black criminals.

None of that has anything to do with what black lives matter do or don't protest about it was how I was replying to this comment.....

Quote:First off, if the percentage of blacks who are killed is the same as the percentage of whites who are killed, that's still a very disproportionate number of black people. Black people are only what, 10-15% of America? For there to be absolutely no racial bias in these killings, only 10-15% of police brutality victims should be black. It's far more than 15% going on the frequency of which we hear about it compared to whites being killed.

I imagine unarmed black people have more contact with the police than unarmed black people, A theist didn't show his source that Yeaux was replying to but say if it's just talking about unarmed black men vs unarmed white men and the rates they are killed by police.

If black men are committing more crime and being arrested more then they're going be in contact with more police officers who could be psycho racists, they have a higher chance of being in contact with incompetent police officers, shot, thrown into a back of a van, knocked out and hit the floor in a bad way and so on.
This is just going to be amplified if they're resisting arrest, trying to run away or whatever.
Whenever anyone of any race is stopped by police it's a Russian roulette as to whether you're about to deal with a psycho cop or a jolly laughing policeman, if anyone commits a lot of violent crime and resists arrest they take the chance of encountering these policemen everytime they do.

Again not to say that racial prejudice doesn't happen and not to say it isn't given out more to black people. But it's incorrect to say there's no other factors than racial bias that explain the discrepancy between unarmed white people killed by police and unarmed black people.

(July 10, 2016 at 11:31 pm)paulpablo Wrote: What I claimed is that the percentages of black people involved in police brutality would match up with their population size if no police prejudice was involved, but also for a completely equal representation in that aspect it would also mean black people and white people would have to commit equal amounts of crime, resist arrest in equal amounts and be just as violent against the police as white people.

There are indeed multiple factors, but racial profiling by many if not most American police departments is a fact. The idea that American police only go after law-breakers is silly and beggars comment.

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