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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 3:52 am
(July 13, 2016 at 7:27 am)lisah Wrote: (July 13, 2016 at 5:16 am)Godschild Wrote: They tried to tear it apart. Causing division instead of unity.
GC
I think that explaination is a bit too general for me.
What were the activities they engaged in that created division instead of unity?
Also, what was your role in process of building this church?
I worked with the youth and was a deacon. I'm not sure why division isn't a good explanation, the scriptures tell us that unity in the church is valuable and that division is worthless and then there's the matter of certain activities which should stay within a church and not spread across a public domain.
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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 6:06 am
(July 14, 2016 at 3:52 am)Godschild Wrote: (July 13, 2016 at 7:27 am)lisah Wrote: I think that explaination is a bit too general for me.
What were the activities they engaged in that created division instead of unity?
Also, what was your role in process of building this church?
I worked with the youth and was a deacon. I'm not sure why division isn't a good explanation, the scriptures tell us that unity in the church is valuable and that division is worthless and then there's the matter of certain activities which should stay within a church and not spread across a public domain.
GC
Well, given that you suggest that people were punished and died for interference, I find myself wondering what they could have done that would call for such extreme retribution. Especially when there are plenty of people out there who have committed extreme atrocities, yet remain alive and maybe even unpunished.
By making such claims, Godschild, it calls your God into question (in my mind); or your understanding of events that unfold and the correctness of your assignment to your God of such extremist acts.
It also calls to mind the lack of responsibility of those governing activities, and their abilities to select appropriate people to accomplish their tasks, and their culpability in events that occurred.
So, I am just asking questions to make sense of your claims and what exactly could those who suffered have done that was so egregious?
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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 7:28 am
I wonder why I haven't been wiped out for calling God a piece of shit every day of my life. But a guy intereferes in a church a bit and he gets executed.
It's an extortion ring, and not a very well organised one at that.
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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 9:54 am
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2016 at 9:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Quote:Some became ill with sickness that lasted the rest of their lives, some died from different things, one lost his spouse to the handyman something that brought a huge embarrassment to his prideful life.
Right off the bat, the story is complete bullshit....but, if you're going to lie for christ, at least put your back into it.
I'm pretty sure that people get sick and die with regularity. Especially the demographic of churchgoers..all getting long in the tooth. Similarly, cheating spouses are common among the faithful. This is just your average day on earth. You, however, would like to spin a narrative for us in which a limp wristed god punishes people, in this way, over a pile of sticks?
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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 10:22 am
But this is different. It's a divine smiting kind of sickness that makes you ill, rather than the usual bog standard sickness that... doesn’t?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 11:13 am
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2016 at 11:20 am by purplepurpose.)
GC, position if worthy of respect. To wish to become a martyr instead of consumer and "invite" others to do the same is epic and equally painful lifestyle.
But without the main motivator - hell or blackmail, its impossible for religion to exist. Religion seems beautiful and ugly at the same time.
GC, I guess, loves to be blackmailed by a God, and if necessary punished. Its for the ultimate good nonetheless.
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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 11:15 am
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2016 at 11:15 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Martyrdom is a consumer product as well. Bit of a cottage industry surrounding it, at present.
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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 12:18 pm
Its a very short step from saying God killed them to saying I will do Gods will and kill them .... GC is a dangerous shit in my opinion ....
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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 12:40 pm
(July 7, 2016 at 2:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Lucifer's sin was to covet what God was/had. In essence he wanted to be the shot caller. He wanted to be the alpha and omega, not a servant.
So one imaginary being wanted to be like the other imaginary being? Sounds like they're equals already 
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RE: Lucifer
July 14, 2016 at 9:59 pm
(July 14, 2016 at 6:06 am)lisah Wrote: (July 14, 2016 at 3:52 am)Godschild Wrote:
Well, given that you suggest that people were punished and died for interference, I find myself wondering what they could have done that would call for such extreme retribution. Especially when there are plenty of people out there who have committed extreme atrocities, yet remain alive and maybe even unpunished.
By making such claims, Godschild, it calls your God into question (in my mind); or your understanding of events that unfold and the correctness of your assignment to your God of such extremist acts.
It also calls to mind the lack of responsibility of those governing activities, and their abilities to select appropriate people to accomplish their tasks, and their culpability in events that occurred.
So, I am just asking questions to make sense of your claims and what exactly could those who suffered have done that was so egregious?
Yes there are those who have committed atrocities that we would consider worse, but then it's not up to us to decide who commits the worst atrocities against God's holy work, that belongs to Him. When people interfere in God's work to bring salvation to those He will lead to salvation that is an egregious act that God want let alone. Yes I could give you all the details of what they did but, you wouldn't think they were awful enough to warrant such punishment. I've been here to long and read to much to believe otherwise. So you'll just have to accept what I've said as the truth or not and decide things for yourself. I've not given you a reason to believe me a liar and I hope you will take that into account.
GC
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