Yeah. The DNC hates Bernie so much,m they're willing to risk losing the election t trump, than to let the better candidate win. And we know he was the better candidate, because despite having the odds stacked against him, and having much lower name recognition than Hillary, he still almost won. Feel the Bern, indeed.

(July 17, 2016 at 1:20 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:

(July 17, 2016 at 5:35 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: I really like Green politics so great to see some attention finally being given the U.S. Green Party.

The attention they got in 2000 when they gave us George W Bush wasn't enough?

The Greens didn't give us George Bush, the Democrats did by not being able to draw enough distinction between themselves and him. Also the shitty electoral college. You can't blame someone for voting for Jill Stein when the Democrats nominated and practically endorsed pre-primary a candidate more hawkish then most Republicans. People have their issues that they care about.

I'm almost strictly a foreign policy voter and nothing in the world could compel me to vote for Hillary Clinton, even the craziness that is Donald Trump.

(July 17, 2016 at 11:08 am)Cecelia Wrote: This is kind of like a church with 1 member gaining 100 members in a year, then proclaiming they are the fastest growing church in the world.

Jill Stein still stands no chance of winning a single state.  I like Jill, don't get me wrong.  I voted for her in 2012.  In fact I've often voted for Green Party candidates... when one was available as a choice.  But the Green Party still isn't quite viable.  If I knew Trump had no chance at winning, I'd certainly vote for Stein.  But I know that Trump has a shot at winning, and Hillary needs all the votes she can get.  Trump winning would be a disaster on so many levels.  Especially as far as Supreme Court Justices go, and those stick around for a long time after the taste of Trump gets out of your mouth.

If you're in a state that could conceivably be a swing state a vote for Hilary is probably sensible. However, you know Jill Stein; she says we need to stop thinking the Republicans are any worse than the Democrats. I keep switching between Donald being more dnagerous and Hilary being more dangerous: It's tough to decide. For example, because...

Now we know Hilary is going to be investigated for perjury because some of the things she said during the FBIs criminal investigation into her e-mails contradict what she said during the Benghazi hearings. This is on top of the State Department re-opening the investigation into her e-mails. It never stops. She will have an entire presidency of scandal after scandal and fighting lawsuits. Don't get me wrong, Donald would likely be the same (or worse) in terms of how many scandals he would have.

And according to Quinipiac University polling, the electorate in Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio think Donald is more "honest and trustworthy than Hillary". How did she manage that? Donald lies constantly and Hilary is losing by at least ten points to Donald in each case.

Results:

She's not going a good job of trying to get all of the votes she can get, but the mainstream media are telling people not to let the terrible polling numbers worry them. Time Warner, which owns CNN, is one of the biggest Clinton donors so we know they've always had huge a bias this election season. I live in hope that my generation doesn't like to vote for people like Hilary or Donald and somebody like Jill or Bernie will become president eventually.

Her jokes about Pokémon were so painful to listen to and will annoy a lot of people I'm sure. I am of the age where I grew up around Pokémon, but making cringe statements like "How do we get Pokémon to go to the polls" is not how you win over my generation. People are going to switch off and stay at home or vote 3rd party.

(July 17, 2016 at 1:20 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:

(July 17, 2016 at 5:35 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: I really like Green politics so great to see some attention finally being given the U.S. Green Party.

The attention they got in 2000 when they gave us George W Bush wasn't enough?

That's been debunked. The Democrats won Florida in 2000 but the Supreme Court initialy blocked the recount and gave George the presidency. If there was no Green Party candidate those people probably wouldn't have vote Democratic anyway (e.g stayed at home). Blame SCOTUS not the Green Party.

I'll leave it to Ralph Nader to speak about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiqYdjf-C6k

He says Al-Gore agrees with him that he did not cost him the presidency (though I had trouble finding a relevant video of Al-Gore). Even if, let's suppose the Green Party did cost al-Gore the presidency, the Libertarian Party is taking votes away from the Democratic and Republican candidates as well. Some polls have Gary Johnson above 10%. Gary Johnson should, in theory at least, give Hilary an easier path to the Oval Office.

Except, Republicans are worse than Democrats. They want to restrict women's reproductive rights, they want to require intelligent design be taught in schools, they want to allow companies to discriminate against gays, lesbians, and transgender people. They want to be able to deny marriage to same sex couples. They want to eliminate food stamps, reduce medicare and social security. They want to privatize the school system so religious parents can spend taxpayer dollars on religious schools and so that our neediest students aren't able to get an education and so that our public schools fail due to underfunding. They want to treat corporations as people, and people as anything but people. I'm so sick of people saying the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans. It's like saying the common cold is as bad as cancer.

Well, it's either Clinton or Trump. Do you want a real woman or an idiot to be president?

(July 17, 2016 at 5:24 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: He says Al-Gore agrees with him that he did not cost him the presidency (though I had trouble finding a relevant video of Al-Gore). Even if, let's suppose the Green Party did cost al-Gore the presidency, the Libertarian Party is taking votes away from the Democratic and Republican candidates as well. Some polls have Gary Johnson above 10%. Gary Johnson should, in theory at least, give Hilary an easier path to the Oval Office.

Can't really beat his campaign slogan

(July 18, 2016 at 1:41 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(July 17, 2016 at 5:24 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: He says Al-Gore agrees with him that he did not cost him the presidency (though I had trouble finding a relevant video of Al-Gore). Even if, let's suppose the Green Party did cost al-Gore the presidency, the Libertarian Party is taking votes away from the Democratic and Republican candidates as well. Some polls have Gary Johnson above 10%. Gary Johnson should, in theory at least, give Hilary an easier path to the Oval Office.

Can't really beat his campaign slogan

When will Clinton... learn... we don't trust her at all....That being said i am a proud supporter of Jill Stein.

(July 17, 2016 at 10:50 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Well, it's either Clinton or Trump.  Do you want a real woman or an idiot to be president?

I vote fuck both let's for one time we don't have a president until we can get someone who is 
not a sack of shit or a complete fucking bought out lair.

(July 17, 2016 at 6:47 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No, I really don't think anyone is in a panic over the Green Party.  From the link:

Quote:According to US Uncut, the Green Party has received over US$80,000 in contributions since Tuesday and over half of those came from first-time donors.

Which would mean that Ms. Stein now has a war chest of about US$88 000.  This amount of money in a contest where total expenditures are expected to exceed five billion dollars is roughly the equivalent of attempting to take down an aircraft carrier with a poorly sharpened stick.

Boru

She is the most powerful woman in the country now if people know better they would vote for her and get her in office.